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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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strage and interesting issue R56S

Hello everybody,

2 weeks ago I change my tensioner chain (rattle) on my R56S but timing chain move, so I decide to put the timing chain again in marks, so everything ok in this point..

next I do is put everything in order and try to start.....

Car no crank.. and I remembered that I forget to remove the pin locker to the crankshaft...

So I remove the pin locker and try to start again ....

AND...


CAR CRANK but won't start....

next I do is try to read codes with a basic scanner code reader.. and I get nothing.... "connection error" and I think that maybe code reader is failing, so I conect to other car and Code Reader is working good.

I re try to read codes in the mini and same issue... So I orderer an INPA k+DCAN on ebay

las week I tried to read Mini but I have error BIP-0009 on INPA so I Can't entry to Engine, gear box, and many others...

I can read Airbag, cluster, and many others...

well the thing is that I cant read or erase with the code reader and I cant read with INPA So..

What do you think guys? where I have to start looking for?

any ideas will be very appreciated.


PS. In some times when I turn to switch Check Engine light is not appears.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 04:52 AM
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I don't know if anybody has experience with the INPA k+DCAN tool or if it even works properly with an R56. In my opinion, if you're going to buy an electronic tool you should always buy the latest OEM part, especially as electronics get more and more complex. It already sounds like it's doing a half-*** job.

I have a feeling you didn't set the timing right. You need either the BMW special tool for locking the camshafts or the aftermarket set sold by Koch tools. They will also include the crankshaft locking pin that's required for setting timing. Don't forget to buy new cam gear bolts and that there is a DIFFERENT tightening torque for each bolt!!!!

If you've got good fuel pressure in the fuel rail the engine should start relatively easily if you've set the timing perfectly.
 

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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by countryboyshane
I don't know if anybody has experience with the INPA k+DCAN tool or if it even works properly with an R56. In my opinion, if you're going to buy an electronic tool you should always buy the latest OEM part, especially as electronics get more and more complex. It already sounds like it's doing a half-*** job.

I have a feeling you didn't set the timing right. You need either the BMW special tool for locking the camshafts or the aftermarket set sold by Koch tools. They will also include the crankshaft locking pin that's required for setting timing. Don't forget to buy new cam gear bolts and that there is a DIFFERENT tightening torque for each bolt!!!!

If you've got good fuel pressure in the fuel rail the engine should start relatively easily if you've set the timing perfectly.
hello countryboyshane,

yes as you said a friend of mine has the special tool, I'll go ask for the tool and I will update the post...

I will write later today


thanks!

PS I will check the fuel pressure too
 
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 08:09 AM
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You need new exhaust and intake camshaft bolts too. They are one time use!

You really should use the Bentley manual. Engine timing on the N14 engine is something you really don't want to screw up
 
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboyshane
You need new exhaust and intake camshaft bolts too. They are one time use!

You really should use the Bentley manual. Engine timing on the N14 engine is something you really don't want to screw up
Yes, first of all I checked the timing chain digram before I touching a single screw, seem everything looks good.

and I think my problem is maybe a electronic problem because the strange thing is that the scanner don't read ...
 
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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How did you "put the timing chain in marks"?
I can try to help you but I don't understand what you mena by this.

Did you lock the camshafts in place when you removed the tensioner? How about the crank? Did you put all the slack of the timing chain on the tensioner side of the engine?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by joey1320
How did you "put the timing chain in marks"?
I can try to help you but I don't understand what you mena by this.

Did you lock the camshafts in place when you removed the tensioner? How about the crank? Did you put all the slack of the timing chain on the tensioner side of the engine?

Hello, ok with Put the timing chain in marks I try mean that I put the Camshafts in his place with the special tool, I know there are no marks.

and yes, I locked camshafts in place, but I didn't put the slack of the timing chain on the tensioner side....


I will Do that!

today I Finally could Clear all Error Memory with INPA (today I could READ with inpa!) NOT ENGINE BUT I CAN READ CAS module and I erase all error memory and the MINI starts after 4 or 5 attemps, motor hears good

But after that, the MINI won't start anymore....

I dont know what is the meaning of this codes>

(definition is on German)

9cb5 batterie tiefentladen

9cad energiesparmode aktive

d365 can botschaft pt can torque

a116 elv sg abbruch fheler

a0ae energiesparemode

A86E unterspannung

c910 pt can ID 1b6

A0B4 fehler Motor start anlasserbetrieb

A0AE Energiesparmode

A116 abbruch fehler



Clean the error memory one more time. But I didn't have luck anymore, The mini do not start anymore...

the OBD code reader still can't read..

Only the INPA can read the errors


Im looking the definitions of the error codes, but I cant found complete list of BMW fault codes.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2012 | 05:41 AM
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So you locked the camshafts in place, okay thats very good. How about the crank, did you lock that one in place also?

All the slack of the chain has got to be on the tensioner side of the engine, so what you need to do is loosen the bolts for the cams and the crank so that the sprockets rotate freely, while they are still locked and install the tensioner. Once the tensioner is installed you want to torque down the three bolts you loosened.

Of course the bolts are one time use and should be replace.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2012 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by joey1320
So you locked the camshafts in place, okay thats very good. How about the crank, did you lock that one in place also?

All the slack of the chain has got to be on the tensioner side of the engine, so what you need to do is loosen the bolts for the cams and the crank so that the sprockets rotate freely, while they are still locked and install the tensioner. Once the tensioner is installed you want to torque down the three bolts you loosened.

Of course the bolts are one time use and should be replace.

Hi Joey, Yes I locked the crankshaft too, in fact the problem I think starts because I forgot remove the crankshaft pin lock, after that thing I can't start the car again.

Yesterday the car started but only once
 
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Old Aug 27, 2012 | 07:16 PM
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I checked if there are spark but There isn't

My Throttle body is not responding........

When I read my Body ID I have this

vehicle Identification NR 0000000

Here is supposed to be a vin or number right?

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When I read my CAN Ignition Key I have

Immobilization system signal Invalid

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What I have to read here??? is this signal invalid ok?


How I can re coding this? I read NCS expert beginner guide but nothing about coding...

and my remote control Is not working too.

hElP please.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2012 | 09:02 PM
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Sounds like the car needs reprogramming. Why I have no clue. It may be time to take it to a dealer and ante up. I wish I could help more!! Sorry.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2012 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PatM
Sounds like the car needs reprogramming. Why I have no clue. It may be time to take it to a dealer and ante up. I wish I could help more!! Sorry.
yes, I think that for first time but Im decided to do it myself I have INPA and NCS I just need little help LOL

thanks for the comment


So Anybody help me to code my car please, help!
 
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Old Nov 15, 2020 | 09:25 AM
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Fixed Issue?

Have you solved this issue? Have you replaced the fuel filter? Also, injectors would be the next step providing you’ve already confirmed spark and correct timing.
 
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