Nothing reported as yet and I doubt very much that they will have the same problem

 

Good to know thanks.

 

I'm very curious too. When I recently visited my new dealer and inquired about the issue, the MA told me that 2011 model year engine changes to chain vrs belt driven and addition of Valvetronic feature would mitigate the issue.

I take that feedback with a grain of salt pending "real world" new 2011 MINI owner feedback.

 

Well its been VERY cold here in the Richmond VA. I guess if its going to happen now would be the time. Need to watch some of those videos to get a sense of what it sounds like.

 

believe me you will know you have it when its clanking like a diesel upon startup and goes away when warmed up.


just took my 09 MCS 13k miles in for service and mentioned the cold start rattle, they replaced the tensioner hope that fixes it.

 

Just had my 2009 JCW repaired. They said the tensioner had to be replaced but everything else was fine. 15,000 miles

 

Our 2008 MCS had the timing belt, tensioner and supporting hardware replaced 1 months ago. Lots of cold weather and so far so good.
Dealer tried to say it was normal first, then that it only needed an oil change, then that yes there is indeed a problem.
Such hoops they make us jump through.
Our lease is up in 10 months, very unimpressed with the can't replicate/denial/mis-information cr*p the sole dealer in town tries to get away with.

 

I had the timing chain tensioner/chain issue addressed about a month ago at the dealer (I have a 2009 MCS). Then last week, CEL low power and rhythmic thumping from the hood. I had it towed to another MINI dealer. The first thing they did was to get a fax from the 1st dealership to see if they did the timing chain repair "properly": tensioner, chain, rails, etc. Apparently, the proper fix is to replace everything. I've seen postings on some forums that folks have had the chain and tensioner replaced only to have the rails fail at a later date. *shrug* In any case, supposedly my water pump supplying the turbo failed----only 18K miles! Ugh. Too many problems as of late, especially for a 2 year old car!

 

Betta, you're correct the ideal solution is to perform the work stated in SIM110207, everything else is more of a BandAid

 

So here's how I duplicated the cold-start rattle everytime...

• Started the car and moved it 10 feet (from garage to driveway)
• Left car in driveway for 45 minutes (simulating length of time to wash Spike). No wash actually occured and Spike was not injured during the exercise
• Started up the car and drove it 10 feet (back into garage)
• Started Spike the next day and he was rattling for the first mile from my place

This proves out the theory that water is not a contributing factor. I don't know if you actually need to leave the car over night, but you do need to leave it for several hours. The problem relates to the car not getting up to full operating temperature before being shut down. Give this a whirl and see what happens.

The death rattle may be triggered by other conditions in other MINIs, but for me that's how it was duplicated.

 

I had the problem and originally they just replaced by chain tensioner. Last year around this time they applied the SIM110207 and it seems to be fine since then. It survived the cold January we had in NJ. I swear I hear it sometimes, but then it turns out to just be the injectors. I guess I'm just nervous it'll come back.

 

Bonjour à tous et à toutes!

Le saviez-vous!...le moteur de votre MINI BMW est commun avec celui de PSA PEUGEOT CITROËN car il est le fruit du partenariat entre ces deux constructeurs!

Vous trouverez ce moteur EP6 nommé "Prince" pour BMW et nommé 1.6 THP ou GTi (en Grande Bretagne , en Suisse et en Belgique)

On le retrouve donc sur la PEUGEOT 207, la PEUGEOT RCZ, la CITROËN DS3 et bien d'autres modèles et malheureusement , en Europe , nous souffrons des même avaries que vous concernant ce bruit à froid, le décalage de l'arbre a came, des pertes de puissance aléatoires;

Nous comptons nous battre pour nous faire entendre et préparons collectivement une action en justice d'envergure internationale (World Class Action)

Voici un lien FACEBOOK relatant et regroupant l'ensemble de nos enquêtes , sondages et pétition!

Nous sommes de plus en plus nombreux et nombreuses à nous plaindre de ce phénomène de récurrence pouvant porter préjudice à notre intégrité physique si le moteur rompt inopinément lorsque notre véhicule est sur la route!!

Rejoignez nous et aidez nous en apportant votre soutien aux nôtres et nous en ferons de même pour vos démarches (j'ai déjà signé votre propre pétition)


Je possède une PEUGEOT 207 1.6 THP de l'année 2007 et 78220 km au compteur (à convertir en miles évidemment!!)

Voilà le lien qui vous servira de porte d'entrée et n'hésitez pas à vous laisser guider!!..je ne suis pas bilingue mais de nombreux membres pourront traduire vos propos!!!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...9151303&ref=nf

http://distributionthp.free.fr/index.php

Nous avons absolument besoin de traducteurs pour mettre notre pétition aux normes internationales

NOS ACTIONS DOIVENT POUVOIR FAIRE JURISPRUDENCE EN LA MATIÈRE ET SUR L'ECHELLE DE NOTRE PETITE PLANÈTE, CE MOTEUR DOIT ETRE REVU DE FOND EN COMBLE CAR CELA DEVIENT URGENT ...avant un drame irréversible !!

 

Voici un lien d'un forum européen traitant du sujet de la MINI BMW:

http://minicoopers.superforum.fr/t86...e-distribution

(il faut d'abord vous inscrire mais vous verrez qu'ils parlent du même problème!!)

WIKIPEDIA en parle aussi car nous avons agit dans ce sens pour faire reconnaître dans la définition cet élément nouveau!!

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moteur_PSA/BMW_EP

 

Just thought I'd get a translation of the last post regarding cold start in Peugeot engines...


Hello everyone!

Did you ... the engine of your BMW MINI is common with the PSA Peugeot Citroën since it is the result of partnership between these two manufacturers!

You will find this engine EP6 named "Prince" and called for BMW or GTi 1.6 THP (Great Britain, Switzerland and Belgium)

We thus find the Peugeot 207, Peugeot RCZ, the Citroën DS3 and many other models and, unfortunately, we in Europe are suffering the same damage on the noise you cold, the shift of the camshaft, random power losses;

We intend to fight to make ourselves heard collectively and prepare an action of international (World Class Action)

Here's a link FACEBOOK and aggregation of all our surveys, polls and petitions!

We are growing and many to complain of recurrence of this phenomenon can be detrimental to our physical integrity if the engine breaks unexpectedly when our vehicle on the road!

Join us and help us by providing your support to us and we will do the same for your efforts (I already signed your petition)


I own a Peugeot 207 1.6 THP 2007 and 78220 km on the clock (to convert to miles of course!)

Here is the link as your front door and feel free to let yourself be guided! .. I'm not bilingual, but many members will translate your words!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...9151303&ref=nf

http://distributionthp.free.fr/index.php

We absolutely need translators for our petition to international standards

MUST BE ABLE TO SHARE OUR DECISIONS IN THE FIELD AND ON THE SCALE OF OUR SMALL PLANET, THE ENGINE MUST BE REVIEWED FOR thoroughly URGENT AS IT BECOMES ... before an irreversible tragedy!
Reply With Quote

 

Another Google English translation...


Here's a link to a European forum dealing with the subject of the BMW MINI:

http://minicoopers.superforum.fr/t86...e-distribution

(need to register first but you will see that they speak the same problem!)

Wikipedia also talks because we have acted in this way to recognize this element in the definition again!

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moteur_PSA/BMW_EP

 

SAAB s'apprêterait à leur tour de reconduire une mouture légèrement modifiée de ce moteur "down sizing" dans leurs modèles de 2012...sera-t'il fiable d'ici là!..j'ai peur que non malheureusement!!

 

merci SNAKEHEAD ;-)

 

As a new 2011 Clubman S owner living in the frozen mad-max wastelands of the Detroit area, I can report that I'm not hearing a super nasty box of rocks clackety diesel noise when I start my car and it's cold....

BUT...

There's definitely a clicking/clacking from the right side of the engine at idle, and up through around 2500rpm it continues to be audible (mind, I'm assuming this is the same sound, because both seem to go away once the engine is warm), and ends up sounding like....It's hard to say really. Knowing that the previous problems have a lot to do with the timing chain it's tempting for me to say it sounds like a chain being dragged loosely (and lightly, it's not a severe sound at all) across something. Really though, I'd say it sounds more like what you'd expect if you got a leaf sucked into your cabin blower fan - but it's definitely not related to my fan speed (i'm a good mad scientist, and made sure to play around with that to see if it had an effect. I even hear the noise when I have the blower turned off.).

I'm taking my car in shortly to the dealership because there seems to be some electrical problem keeping the blower fan from running without cutting out when the engine is under load (or when the power steering is moving and the engine is at idle), so I'll see what they have to say about it.

Just figured my info might be handy for those curious about the 2011s!

 

You can add me to the list of new timing chain assembly people.

Got a whole new assembly including the chain, tensioner, and guides. They found the guides destroyed due to the chain being 10mm out of spec. There were pieces of the guide bouncing around cause lots of noise. 9k left of my warranty.

Time to sell it. Fun while I had it running correct

 

[B]IL FALLAIT ENCORE PROUVER QUE QUELQUE CHOSE NE VA PAS ...QUE QUELQUE CHOSE D'IMMORAL NE VA PAS MAIS ALORS PAS DU TOUT???

IL EST IDNAMISSIBLE DE VENDRE DES AUTOS AU MOTEUR ESSENCE THP ( Mini BMW et PEUGEOT-CITROËN) EXTRÊMEMENT DANGEREUX: Comment réagiriez vous après avoir eu un moteur qui vous lâche à cause d'une distribution défectueuse (Pourtant, des bruits suspects venaient de ce moteur..mais pour les garagistes des marques PSA surtout: C'ETAIT NORMAL, c'est le bruit naturel d'un cliquetis de chaîne..euh! même à froid?!! ) et surtout au niveau d'une chaîne censée tenir tout le long de la vie d'une auto au tempérament dynamique et à l'agrément sollicitée!!


http://www.ds3spirit.com/viewtopic.p...404d&start=580

http://www.feline207.net/forum/viewt...687&start=5790


Il va falloir arrêter de croire que cela est normal et maintenant!: il est temps de vous faire entendre dans tous les ateliers des trois marques.Passez à la vitesse supérieure et faites vous respecter-->ils en ont manqué avec vous , renvoyez leurs la pareille!!!


C'EST UN VICE CACHE , SERIEUX ET ABSOLUMENT NON ISOLE COMME ILS ESSAYENT DE VOUS LE VENDRE!!...LA PRISE EN CHARGE DOIT ÊTRE TOTALE (ET PAS "ENVISAGEABLE"..c'est une hérésie de savoir qu'il faudrait encore payer en aval cette énorme bévue de conception originelle) CAR CE DERNIER EXISTE DEPUIS LES PREMIERES ANNEES DE SA CONCEPTION (il le savaient et des documents de l'époque le prouve déjà..comme les rappels en interne qui sortent au grand jour...les notes internes ne le restent plus si longtemps quand on tente de tromper ses anciens clients et surtout les nouveaux propriétaires. Heureusement qu'ils existent encore des salariés valeureux des marques qui , eux, montrent un vrai scrupule à faire connaître la vérité et les réalités économiques qui en découlent)

 

MédéMazé,

You know that this is an english language forum, and that almost nobody on here knows what it is you've been posting without some sort of translation, right?

We're limited to the translations google can provide, but we all know those are awful. Could you get somebody to translate your release info into english, so that more people here can benefit from your work? I think it's something many people would want to help with, but a lot of them don't know how to translate what you're saying.

 

UPDATE.!!!!

Still quite after all this time and a nasty North East Winter

 

C'est difficile mais je vais tenter de le faire....ou alors, je me mets à l'anglais

 

I noticed the rattle since the start of winter but it was only once in a while during the mornings and it would go away after a few seconds.
It progressively got worse as the winter months advanced and the temperatures plummeted.
But it doesn't really get that cold in Sacramento, CA. Lowest might have been 33 degrees when I started my car.

One morning it sounded absolutely horrible and the noise even caught a stranger's attention.
He said he sounded like it was coming from the valves.
I called my brother to take a look and I did some internet "research" and found a slew of cold death rattle issues regarding the timing chain.
Everyone that had a helping hand in fixing my car did not believe me when I said my timing chain needed to be replaced in my 2007 MCS with only ~56k miles.

One of my brothers works at Shanahan's, he does body work, but had his co-workers look at it.
The issue was too complex and they were unwilling to fix it.
So he took it Capitol City European, and they identified it as a VANOS system problem but they lacked the tools.
Finally I took it to Schatz & Krum, BMW and Porsche specialist.
They didn't have all the tools, but they ordered it and fixed my car!

They followed the SI M11 02 07 service bulletin and also had to replace a solenoid valve.
It cost me $2,281.47 (I really wished I bought the extended warranty )
They took my car in Thursday, March 9, 2011 and returned it on Friday, March 18, 2011.

This whole ordeal took about a month to fix because each shop had to take my car in for a a few days to perform diagnostics test only to say they could not fix it.
Luckily they didn't charge me but only because my brother has connections of sorts through his employer.

Hopefully this takes care of the rattle noise. I'll place a vote once I believe the issue has been permanently fixed.
[currently at 58,207 miles]

 

^ I empathize. My 2009 S had the same done at 18K miles; luckily under warranty. I'm just not sure if I should keep a car whose repairs I probably can't afford once the warranty lapses! Ugh.