oppps, that was meant for daflake.

 

You obviosuly haven't read the thread. We do have a way of fixing it by modifying the data disk using the PMN software.

OfficeMaven has been successfull at fixing the 1st Gen cars, he is still working on fixing the 2nd gen units. And MINI should be fixing it, not us.

And it is NOT functioning to spec. They say you can search (which implies FIND in a resonable manner) 6 million POI's. You can't. That is false advertising, until they fix it.

 

I have read the thread. Here is proof. You have made contridictory statements, and unsubstantiated claims while all the while trying to belittle anyone who says anything to contridict you. You have consistently displayed a lack of understanding as to how to use the English language as well.

There is not a modification available for the current generation. And if you are confident there is one on the way, then why do you keep asking for someone to modify it?

If there are 6,000,000, or more, POI's in the database, and you can find one, then it is not false advertising. In order to find one, the software had to look through the database to find it. Searching through 6,000,000+ POI's and finding one makes Mini's claim perfectly valid.

There is no false advertising.

The only way you can know if the software is not functioning to specifications is if you have access to the design parameters of the software Mini has. Do youi work for Mini? That is the only way you would have that information.

 

Not to mention, you keep asking if "we" have fixed the problem. I assume you are referring to NAM posters as "we". Unless you still are convinced anyone who challenges your assumptions here is actually a Mini spy.

 

+1! Well said Skuzzy. Add to that his lack of understanding of the engineering and quality assurance process.

 

I'll venture this. Dont ask for want you just might get it......

Maybe MINI did evaluate POIs and discovered in their testing the response times were too slow to return a search result.

Without being BMW/MINI engineers we really don't know what hardware parameters they were working with when they designed the interface.

I'll also say this - I find the title of this post misleading and inaccurate. It should be labeled - "Missing POI Ability" and NOT "GPS doesn't work."

 

Really? You sure about that? You better go back and RE-READ the thread. Because we have been working on fix for the "current" (aka R56, 2nd generation) Nav system. I personally have the software (PMN) that allows us to fix it, and have fixed it myself to some extent. OfficeMAven, also posting here, has made an even better FIX, but he has a small bug with his (has nothing to do with MINI or the problem, more of a bug with the PMN software) to complete his fix, for the current vehicle Nav system. Who doesn't understand the english language?

And to be VERY CLEAR, I have belittled Nobody, and the only thing I have contradicted, is the fact that the software is broken, as opposed to about 10 other [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]adjectives trying to descriibe the problem with the system. As I said, call it whatever yous wish, the fact is, it needs FIXED. And the fact your personally attacking me, is the definition of "belittle" by the way. Get back to the subject matter. "How will WE (as owners) or MINI (as the company that sold it to us) fix the problem"??[/SIZE][/FONT]


Dude, your not even on the same planet with this argument. So, you go to your bank to take all your money out, and the clerk can't find your account because the "Search function" doesn't work, all she finds is 1 other account. You can't tell the bank to fix their software, and give you your money, right? hmmm.... you don't work at the bank, right? You don't know what "design parameters" they used in their software? How do you know it's not functioning to spec? Why should the bank give you any money, their software is functioning according to your logic, you don't have an account with them, they found 1 account, just not yours!

Common, use a little common sense. Finding a POI does not mean the rest of it is all good. Have you found Emblem Embroidery yet?

The software is "BROKEN". When software doesn't work properly, if you have a search function and it doesn't find things it is supposed to (like about 75% of the advertised 6 million POI db), then it is bbbbbbbrrrrrrroooookkkkkeeennnn.

Let me ask you guys this. If the software isn't broken, why is there 10+ pages of posts, from 100's of different owners, in 2 different threads, working on nothing but, FIXING it???

That's not a trick question by the way.

 

I'm asking the NAM users who are actually trying to help the bad situation we are all in, by trying to FIX the problem by complaining to MINI about it, and working with the PMN software to fix it ourselves.

I'm not asking posters like you, who are doing nothing to help with the problem other than attacking the messenger (me) who is only trying to help, YOU.

 

As OfficeMaven has pointed out, putting ALL 6 million POI's into only 5 category's has not slowed down the search significantly.

If your vehicle won't start, but everythign else in the car still works, would you say "My vehicle doesn't work"? Yes. Because you can't use it can you. Same goes for the Navigation system. A major part of it (the POI db) is not functiong properly, so it does not work.

 

Yep. Thanks for pointing that out. And the fact we can't Search for, and find all the POI's in the db, would then be, A BUG!!! Thanks for helping me out.

 

Then why do you keep asking everyone if *we* have a fix for it? That was my question to you. Care to answer it?

I did not attack you. You stated I had not read the thread. I told you I had and how you could tell I have read it. I will not bother pointing out all the contridictions. Anyone that can read and comprehend the English language will be able to see that clearly enough.

How you can make a bank transaction analogous to a GPS unit finding a point is simply astonishing. Even though the basis is completely wrong, it does show a complete lack of understanding of the situation. I'll give you that.

Now you want to use common sense? You should try it. Here is something so simple yet you cannot grasp it. Not everything is listed in any GPS database. I do not care if that place can be found or not. It has no bearing on the claim that Mini is falsely advertising the product. If the software can find one POI and there are over 6,000,000 in the database, then Mini is not falsely advertsing. This has nothing to do with "common sense".

For someone who claims to have an inside friend at one of the "largest class action legal law firms in New York", you sure do not have a grasp on all these legal terms you are throwing about.

The software is not "BROKEN". That poor horse has been beaten to death several times over. I am not trying toi help you 'fix' anything. I am doing my best to make sure some new person does not come in here and think we are all misinformed people who have no grasp of the English language.

The reason this thread has grown so large is due to the conscientious people of this forum who do not want misinformation to be spread around. It helps no one.

Yet, you keep on coming back with the same incorrect rhetoric. You do realize, no matter how many times you say it, it will not come true?

 

Great point. And you know what else is getting old, that you have YET to point out, lets see, the constant personal attacking that has gone on. We ALL know I can't spell, that's just wonderful. When I hit the billion dollar mark, please remind me of that fact! We all know I don't know anything about how design and R&D works. We all know how the system isn't "broken", it's just "not working correctly".

Now lets get back to the point. HOW are we going to FIX what's "not broken"?

And for all the folks that don't think it's broken, then stop posting in the thread, and let us folks that do think it's broken, fix it. (and we will certainly keep the "fix" a secret as to not **** you all off with the fact we have fixed what is not broken).

 

It's not broken, it's not a bug, it's not a malfunction, it's a design flaw. The system is doing exactly what it was designed to do. The problem is that it was a crappy design for POI searches to begin with. Couple that with poor categorization of the data, and presto, you get the only semi-useful POI search system we have now.

Birdman, if you want us to start working with you and not against you, you need to stop being so argumentative and obnoxious. Your posting style is part of the problem here.

Ranting, raving and yelling isn't going to get you anywhere here - it achieves absolutely nothing. The sooner you can calm down and talk more rationally instead of repeating the same rhetoric over and over again, the sooner we can make progress in refining workarounds like TheOfficeMaven has been doing, or reporting to each other on any "status" of real updates and/or legal proceedings (should they actually come to fruition).

Please consider toning down your posting style. It will be less stressful for you, I guarantee it.

 

Again... Very well put Edge

 

As a moderator I'd be happy to (should) change the title of the original topic to reflect the OP's disappointment with POI.

 

I didn't spend the weekend, I spent about 20 min. "enhancing" it by adding an updated Speed Camera database (useful here in Germany). I might look at doing what OM did by exporting all the POI's and then adding them to one database, but it is low on my list of things to do as I typically get addresses of places I want to go using the computer.... POIs are a secondary function to the NAV. Getting from point A to point B is the primary. I think you are asking too much for a 3 to 4 year old unit to be honest. As a computer guy you should already know that the unit in your car is already obsolete!

 

You stopped being helpful other than whining ages ago. I think that is the point that EVERYONE is trying to make. Grow up.

 

Yes please....

 

Huh? My vehicle is brand new, I'm not sure what your talking about?

 

It's not part of the problem; it's the entire problem. I don't think anyone here has or will argue that the POI search can't be improved. It's Birdman's sarcastic and accusatory tone that is the problem, not to mention his false accusations and blatant claims that, once made, he refuses to support.

Very recent example: "We all know how the system isn't "broken", it's just "not working correctly". "

 

Dear Mini,
I love your Navigation software. There is nothing wrong with it. I'm not sure why anyone would complain about it, or ask for it to be fixed. You implemented a search function, and that search function every once in a while, actually finds things it is supposed to. Thank you so much for putting in the time and effort for designing such an awsome system, and selling it to me at a premium price. Also, thank you so much for the awesome product and customer support. I can't wait to purchase another vehicle from you, to get the same software in the 3rd generation vehicle (that was also in the 1st, and now 2nd gen vehicles), and similar product and customer support.

Thanks and regards,
Birdman


How's that? Better for you guys? Yes, I now see the light. This is the kind of post that will get the software fixed. Thanks for educating me.

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Yet again, proving our point. Oh, and when you hit your billion, you will still be an obnoxious jerk.

 

I'd appreciate it if the tone of this thread could be a bit more civil - if I don't get cooperation I'll have no choice but to lock the thread.

 

I think I am done with this thread. It just does not seem to be one that will ever be constructive.

 

die, thread. die.