Having to do something in a manner that seems illogical to you doesn't give you grounds to mount a smear campaign against MINI and the NAV nor does it give you grounds for a civil suit against MINI.

 

I did not find "J Signs" on my 2006-2 disc. Maybe it was added on a 2007 disc. What is the name of the disc file you found it in, and what are some of the other POIs listed in that file?

I'm asking because TheOfficeMaven's work indicated that every POI is under a category, and the number of category files on the disc seems to match the number of categories displayed by the Nav. This would imply that each one of the 6 million POIs can be displayed by the Nav, under some category. I want to understand if this was an incorrect conclusion.

 

Yes, AFAIK all (6 million) of the POIs that are in the database are exposed to the nav system. The only trouble is finding which of the 102 different sub-categories you need to search for them in.

 

I said you falsely quoted, and you did. You put a phrase in quoatation marks, which, in fact, by your admission, was not a quotation. That simple observation does not require me to have read the actual quote. In any case, there's no point in going around in circles with this.

 

seems illogical? Are you living in a virtual world we all don't know about?

Nothing seems, or is virtual here. The system DOES NOT WORK. If a gas station advrtises that they sell gas for 50 cents a gallon, and you get there, and they are selling the gas for 2 bucks a gallon, that is false advertising. That is exactly what MINI is doing. That is not according to me, that is according to a bunch of attorneys. Like it or not, those a re the facts.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Smeer campaing? How do you figure? Have you seen me say I don't like MINI? Have you seen me post positive things about the car, and even having the Nav screen? (YES, here ya go: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=122588 )

What I am asking for, is for MINI/BMW to get off ther *****, ad FIX a problem that they sold us using false advertising.

You do realize, this is a VERY simple problem to fix, right? We are not asking them to re-engineer the car and spend millions of dollars on recalls. All they have to do is send out a new DVD (cost of about 35 cents each plus postage) to Nav owners. Is that so difficult? In fact, they really don't even have to fix it, NAVTECH does. That's who they bought it from for heavens sake. I would a head from a NAVTECH exec sitting on my desk right now if I worked for MINI/BMW.

Would be alot eaiser for them to fix it, then post under false identities on NAM, and take a marketing hit from lost sales, don't ya think?

 

By the way, your right. But unfortunately, that has nothing to do with this case. This case involves a product that was sold which does not work as advertised. When the company was asked to fix it under good will, they refused. So now, we have the right to run a smear campaign and grounds for a civil class action lawsuit.

 

The unbelievable egotism -- or purility -- not sure which, or both, to assume that MINI executives would waste their time posting under false names in NAM because a member doesn't like their nav system. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so absurd.

 

Nothing grants you the right to run a smear campaign. Quite the opposite actually.

What the heck. The entertainment value alone is quite high.

 

Hehe LynnEl,..birds of a feather, eh?

I have no doubt there is a lawyer out there who will gladly take money from him to file a suit. After that I suspect things will go very quiet, if there is a lawyer actually involved.

 

If I was Mini exec (or peon for that matter), I would be inclined not to fix it, even if I originally was going to. Just me, but I don't like threats, implied or otherwise.... (yeah, yeah, I know... they're promises).

 

I was actually picturing some wheel at Mini just laughing his/her butt off at this entire thread.

Although it would be cool to be able to get software companies to alter thier software to work the way we want it to. I would be all over Microsoft right off the bat.

 

Who said anything about "execs"? But is MINI posting on this forum? YES. And I have 100% proof of it. And for your info, it is absolutely normal for marketing dept's and tech support dept's to post in forums about there products. I know several companies that employ people to do nothing but that.

Get lost, you obviously don't care about the problem, so again I ask you, why are you here?

err um, cause you obviously (with 9000+ posts) work for MINI.

 

That post is the laugh of the centyury. Got bad news for ya, Microsoft changes there software for my company, all the time. We are large customer of theres. Some of the changes FIX things, as with this issue, some of them make it easier for us to use (how we would like to see it).

And the softare companies that don't update their software following their cusotmers needs, go out of bidness. One of the reasons Garmin is doing so well is becasue they work feverishly at updating their software according to customer input. And all their procucts come updateable by the user. A big mistake MINI made.

 

You obviosly haven't read any of the thread. I "Birdman" have NOTHING to do with the impending class action lawsuit being prepared on Madison Ave. I simply herd about it after meeting my buddy who works in that office (full of BMW owners pissed off I might add!).

Ain't going to be any of my money involved, although I suspect I will be getting $2,100 back.


And for the record, I could case less about the $. I personally would simply like to see the problem fixed so I can utilize the nav system as intended. So I don't have to look like an idiot installing a 2nd nav systme next to my OEM one.

 

rkw,
I can't remember off hand what folder (aka category) I found it under. But I could not get it to pull up via the MINI even after knowing category. I only found it via a text search in the data on my PC using the PMN softare. As Officemaven knows and has done the same, I had spent hours playing with the data trying to make sense out of it.

 

every now and then a thread degenerates to a point that further posts are a waste of time, and will only result in escalating antagonism.

neither party will change the opinion of the other. nothing but *****-flicking ensues.

i respectfully suggest this thread has reached that point.

 

But there is nothing to fix and no false advertising. You are quite capable of finding POI's, it's just not logically laid out. The nature of the system used means that NOT EVERY BUSINESS IN THE US is likely to be included in the system anyway.

And FYI, any lawsuit directed by BMW owners at BMW wouldn't likely impact on MINI owners anyway so you would either have to join the class action (if it exists) and have it amended or get a lawyer to file your own and have to joined to the BMW one by the courts.

 

And yet, you said:
I am not saying you implied the lawyer was yours. You said the lawyer was yours. Which is it?

Now, in another post you stated you were going to buy an $80K BMW for your Wife, until you tried the NAV system. You did not like it, so you did not buy the car. Why didn't you try the one in the Mini before buying it?

 

Now. Skuzzy, you aren't being fair about it if you intend to rely on facts.....

 

Care to provide that proof, or is it like all the other facts you refuse to substantiate? And what level of posts proves that someone works for Mini? Maybe you should search and read some of my other posts. I seriously doubt someone who works for Mini (and liked it) would post some of the issues I have. But then again, I suppose those posts are just a cleaver ruse, intended to hide the "fact" that I am really a Mini secret agent (Special Agent Rooster, here).

 

Well, I know that there are some MAs and SAs that post/have posted on NAM, so I guess it's technically correct to say that "MINI" is posting on this forum, if you define "MINI" as being *any* employee of MINIUSA, no matter how low-level, even if they're only here because they're a MINI owner/enthusiast.

But, if he's talking about MINI employees with an agenda posting here, while trying to conceal their affiliation with MINI, I'd be curious to see the "proof" as well.

 

True. But if you are going to consider any employee as being a representative of their employer, I would bet the CIA, FBI, and maybe even the Mossad post here, too.

 

Wouldn't an MA or SA be an employee of the dealership, not really MINIUSA?

 

Has anyone tried searching the New York District and Federal courts civil suit filings? I cannot find a civil suit being filed mentioning BMW or Mini. I went back to 11/20, which is when we were told his attorney had filed the suit.

I could have missed it. It would a lot easier if we had the case number or plaintiffs name.

 

I did when it was first mentioned. I haven't since.