R60 A cautious warning for iphone 5 buyers
#1
A cautious warning for iphone 5 buyers
Without really needing to be said, there won't be a dock for Connected owners for a long time.
But the real problem is that the adapter Apple is selling ($29) doesn't transmit video or analog audio. Apple clearly says "Video and iPod Out not supported." The new eight-prong Lightning adapter is all digital, but Apple did not respond to requests for comment about why the adapter wasn't designed to convert the digital signal to analog.
I don't even want to think how long it'll take BMW to engineer a new y cable.
I'm thinking of keeping my iphone 4 as a ipod touch and leaving it in the car. If a new phone can act as a hotspot, you could use the ip4 as a wifi device and still run pandora and all of the Connected features.
But the real problem is that the adapter Apple is selling ($29) doesn't transmit video or analog audio. Apple clearly says "Video and iPod Out not supported." The new eight-prong Lightning adapter is all digital, but Apple did not respond to requests for comment about why the adapter wasn't designed to convert the digital signal to analog.
I don't even want to think how long it'll take BMW to engineer a new y cable.
I'm thinking of keeping my iphone 4 as a ipod touch and leaving it in the car. If a new phone can act as a hotspot, you could use the ip4 as a wifi device and still run pandora and all of the Connected features.
#2
Going from past experience, the first version will be available in a month or so. You'll see it heavily promoted in advertisements for the Connect. Of course, it will cost +/- $250 and won't work. But, new versions will be promised regularly. And they'll be more expensive and won't work, either.
Sealy - Who keeps MINI Connect KY in Zaftig's boot.
#3
I don't have connected but do connected cars have an audio in jack? Yeah, you aren't going to get the in dash controls working but all streaming, playlists, and sound from the iPhone will work through the audio jack.
Not an ideal solution to integrate but something to hold you over if/when they release a new dock or adapter.
Not an ideal solution to integrate but something to hold you over if/when they release a new dock or adapter.
#4
#5
I don't have connected but do connected cars have an audio in jack? Yeah, you aren't going to get the in dash controls working but all streaming, playlists, and sound from the iPhone will work through the audio jack.
Not an ideal solution to integrate but something to hold you over if/when they release a new dock or adapter.
Not an ideal solution to integrate but something to hold you over if/when they release a new dock or adapter.
last time I checked att wanted 20 a month for tethering. hopefully it'll be less. I understand if you go to a shared plan, you can add a data only device for $10 a month and it sips from your shared data pool. And verizon would be the same way.
#6
"iPod Out" is not analog audio. It's the iPod interface that is used by some cars (MINI being one of them) and that's sent by analog video, which is now gone.
I'm pretty sure analog audio will be provided by the adapter.
What won't work is the 'Plugin' portion of MINI Connected. That's all iPod Out.
I'm pretty sure analog audio will be provided by the adapter.
What won't work is the 'Plugin' portion of MINI Connected. That's all iPod Out.
#7
And here we go. Someone that claims to have talked to Apple and confirmed that there is a DAC in the adapter, so it will provide analog audio.
http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/...-costs-so-much
http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/...-costs-so-much
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#8
Going from past experience, the first version will be available in a month or so. You'll see it heavily promoted in advertisements for the Connect. Of course, it will cost +/- $250 and won't work. But, new versions will be promised regularly. And they'll be more expensive and won't work, either.
Sealy - Who keeps MINI Connect KY in Zaftig's boot.
Sealy - Who keeps MINI Connect KY in Zaftig's boot.
#10
And here we go. Someone that claims to have talked to Apple and confirmed that there is a DAC in the adapter, so it will provide analog audio.
http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/...-costs-so-much
http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/...-costs-so-much
#11
that'll work for music, but nothing more.
last time I checked att wanted 20 a month for tethering. hopefully it'll be less. I understand if you go to a shared plan, you can add a data only device for $10 a month and it sips from your shared data pool. And verizon would be the same way.
last time I checked att wanted 20 a month for tethering. hopefully it'll be less. I understand if you go to a shared plan, you can add a data only device for $10 a month and it sips from your shared data pool. And verizon would be the same way.
#12
#13
I Bluetooth my audio and it works as good as it does plugged in. Video is gonna be a issue. So with the adapter will the mini app still work? I do like my hp/temp/ torque gauges. I wish a boost gauge would get added and optional gauge color choices. I really ask for way to much don't i.
#15
I suspect grys is correct after going outside and playing around with mine. I am a little concerned with video out also since it appear that may now be handled by the headphone jack for composite video. Of course it is the headphone jack that does seem to do audio and video now with the connected system.
Video for me and the plugin feature has been for fun but not truly usable using my jailbroken iphone's display out program. I will miss video out for trips and my wife.... then again I do have an ipad and her 4s for that... Settled, I will order and take my chances.
Michael
Video for me and the plugin feature has been for fun but not truly usable using my jailbroken iphone's display out program. I will miss video out for trips and my wife.... then again I do have an ipad and her 4s for that... Settled, I will order and take my chances.
Michael
#16
MINI will probably have to rewrite that portion to not use the iPod out portion, which apparently BMW had done before developing the iPod Out functionality with Apple. I haven't seen any sign of an analog video adapter for the iPhone 5, so I'd be surprised if a simple cable would fix that. You'd need a cable that generated an analog video signal to work around it.
Also, it's looking like the phones come out before the converters, so it's not sure at this point when anyone will know exactly what works.
#17
I think there may be another issue.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168...s_for_you.html
Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen. More cryptically, the online Apple Store’s product pages note that “some 30-pin accessories are not supported.”
Not sure but sounds like even the menus (song titles, names, playlists) wouldnt even work with non-connected devices. The workaround may being using the included cable and an aux cable in place of the Y cable?? Just guessing....
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168...s_for_you.html
Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen. More cryptically, the online Apple Store’s product pages note that “some 30-pin accessories are not supported.”
Not sure but sounds like even the menus (song titles, names, playlists) wouldnt even work with non-connected devices. The workaround may being using the included cable and an aux cable in place of the Y cable?? Just guessing....
#19
I think there may be another issue.
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168...s_for_you.html
Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen. More cryptically, the online Apple Store’s product pages note that “some 30-pin accessories are not supported.”
Not sure but sounds like even the menus (song titles, names, playlists) wouldnt even work with non-connected devices. The workaround may being using the included cable and an aux cable in place of the Y cable?? Just guessing....
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168...s_for_you.html
Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen. More cryptically, the online Apple Store’s product pages note that “some 30-pin accessories are not supported.”
Not sure but sounds like even the menus (song titles, names, playlists) wouldnt even work with non-connected devices. The workaround may being using the included cable and an aux cable in place of the Y cable?? Just guessing....
#21
#22
remember, in their effort to matain EXTREME secrecy, they prevent other manfactures from spending months devolping items before launch....remember, you bought an iphone4 compatible MINI....
i can see the craigs list adds in 4 years..."Iphone 4 compatible 2012 mini for sale...".
i'm sure mini will eventually come out with a plug/adaptor and a software update to restore most functionality, but the upgrade to the new connector will allow MINI CONNECTED 2 TO DO MUCH MORE!!
#23
Au contraire, Zippy. I bought a CM that promised compatibility. And went through a lot of hoo hah and money before I had one that was partially compatible. And that was for an iPhone that had been out for a while. What really frosted my Pure Orange pumpkin was that all the ads and brochures showed it working flawlessly, yet everyone at the MINI dealership had no clue and no one could get it to work.
#24
+1
remember, in their effort to matain EXTREME secrecy, they prevent other manfactures from spending months devolping items before launch....remember, you bought an iphone4 compatible MINI....
i can see the craigs list adds in 4 years..."Iphone 4 compatible 2012 mini for sale...".
i'm sure mini will eventually come out with a plug/adaptor and a software update to restore most functionality, but the upgrade to the new connector will allow MINI CONNECTED 2 TO DO MUCH MORE!!
remember, in their effort to matain EXTREME secrecy, they prevent other manfactures from spending months devolping items before launch....remember, you bought an iphone4 compatible MINI....
i can see the craigs list adds in 4 years..."Iphone 4 compatible 2012 mini for sale...".
i'm sure mini will eventually come out with a plug/adaptor and a software update to restore most functionality, but the upgrade to the new connector will allow MINI CONNECTED 2 TO DO MUCH MORE!!
#25
I debated back and forth over connected for a while and the sales guy was very honest with me. He pulled out his iPhone and said i can sell it to you, but if this connector changes (pointing at 30 pin), I can't guarantee it will work. I imagine that Apple has released details regarding lightning and the developers at Mini and other car company are working quickly to develop a solution. If anything, pressure is on them to find a solution otherwise they are selling an outdated product.