R56 Street accident with front wheel involved
#1
Street accident with front wheel involved
A few days ago I was going down an avenue and I turn left. A second before starting the turn the traffic light changed to yellow so I accelerated and the turn I made was very open at 30mph. The result was that the car hit with it right front wheel against the curb. The wheels that I'm using are not OEM, they are made of aluminum and I'm running ECS 15mm wheel spacers on the 4 wheels.
I braked the vehicle and when checked I saw that the wheel had a large scratch (they are painted in black) but the vehicle was totally OK.
When driving back to my house and when I reached 40mph, I could hear a noise produced by the tire against the pavement with intervals of 1 second (yes) and a 1 second (not). As if the floor texture changed every 1 second (it's the best detail I can give to imagine the sound). Not mechanical noise at all.
That was not strange for me since I knew I was driving with a damaged rim then I drove to my house at low speed and the next day I took the vehicle to the indy shop to check all the wheels, perform alignment, check tires and wheel rotation.
My right front wheel was hammered to be fixed. The wheel was like new in less than 1 hour.
My problem now is that the same noise is chasing me at 75mph. From 0 to 75mph and from 80mph and on, there is not noise at all.
The noise is very slight now (50% less than after the accident) but it increases and it becomes very noticeable if I'm turning at 75mph in a curve to the left and I could say that I can "feel" that the noise is transmitted to the steering wheel if I take the steering wheel too hard.
I took the vehicle back to the indy shop and the techs tell me that all the wheels are fine and that the front drive train is perfect, there is nothing to repair and it is impossible that it has broken something with such a small impact with the rim being so little damaged.
I insist that the area where the wheel is screwed or something inside the axle may have been bent but they tell me it is impossible because "the wheel was the fuse in my incident".
What can I ask to check in a exact form given the accident I had and the parts involved?
I don't feel safe driving in that state, really.
Any advice will be welcome and very appreciated...
I braked the vehicle and when checked I saw that the wheel had a large scratch (they are painted in black) but the vehicle was totally OK.
When driving back to my house and when I reached 40mph, I could hear a noise produced by the tire against the pavement with intervals of 1 second (yes) and a 1 second (not). As if the floor texture changed every 1 second (it's the best detail I can give to imagine the sound). Not mechanical noise at all.
That was not strange for me since I knew I was driving with a damaged rim then I drove to my house at low speed and the next day I took the vehicle to the indy shop to check all the wheels, perform alignment, check tires and wheel rotation.
My right front wheel was hammered to be fixed. The wheel was like new in less than 1 hour.
My problem now is that the same noise is chasing me at 75mph. From 0 to 75mph and from 80mph and on, there is not noise at all.
The noise is very slight now (50% less than after the accident) but it increases and it becomes very noticeable if I'm turning at 75mph in a curve to the left and I could say that I can "feel" that the noise is transmitted to the steering wheel if I take the steering wheel too hard.
I took the vehicle back to the indy shop and the techs tell me that all the wheels are fine and that the front drive train is perfect, there is nothing to repair and it is impossible that it has broken something with such a small impact with the rim being so little damaged.
I insist that the area where the wheel is screwed or something inside the axle may have been bent but they tell me it is impossible because "the wheel was the fuse in my incident".
What can I ask to check in a exact form given the accident I had and the parts involved?
I don't feel safe driving in that state, really.
Any advice will be welcome and very appreciated...
Last edited by miniuy; 04-05-2018 at 11:06 AM.
#3
If I understand your incident ... I've had similar twice. Once due to a slide from snow, and another from trying to avoid crap in the raod
Front suspension can deal with a 'head on' hit fairly well. You might need and alignment but the suspension is built to take this.
On the other hand, slam the wheel laterally .... or even worse, while the wheel is turned way over and THEn hit it LOW .. laterally .....
the first time I did this, it was a slide into a curb at slow speed (snow), but the wheel was full lock to the side. After the incident you could see the wheel was a good 2 inches out of place in the wheel well. $2000 .. strut and bearing ...
many years later, trying to avoid crap in the road, clipped the curb - lateral shot to the suspension ... front and back btw while only going 30 ....
I could list all the parts, but it is long ...
knuckle, control arm, rotor, tie rod .... hubs front and back
$2000
Front suspension can deal with a 'head on' hit fairly well. You might need and alignment but the suspension is built to take this.
On the other hand, slam the wheel laterally .... or even worse, while the wheel is turned way over and THEn hit it LOW .. laterally .....
the first time I did this, it was a slide into a curb at slow speed (snow), but the wheel was full lock to the side. After the incident you could see the wheel was a good 2 inches out of place in the wheel well. $2000 .. strut and bearing ...
many years later, trying to avoid crap in the road, clipped the curb - lateral shot to the suspension ... front and back btw while only going 30 ....
I could list all the parts, but it is long ...
knuckle, control arm, rotor, tie rod .... hubs front and back
$2000
#4
OP... Better get it checked out ASAP. You might be able to save the tire.
#5
It seems to be more related with the wheel rotation (parts) due to the characteristics of the noise, but off course I could be wrong...
I will be trying to get checked the wheel hub & bearing.
it seems the CV Axle is OK (by the techs).
I will be trying to get checked the wheel hub & bearing.
it seems the CV Axle is OK (by the techs).
Last edited by miniuy; 04-06-2018 at 05:47 AM.
#6
The only difference is that the wheel was not 100% turned, only 50% (that was the reason for the slam, if it had been 100% turned I'm sure this would never have happened).
I'm starting to believe that then, I'm driving with a damaged wheel hub ...
Last edited by miniuy; 04-06-2018 at 05:47 AM.
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Since the techs are saying that all is OK, and reading your experiences and advices based on your similar incidents seems to be indicating there could be a wheel hub and bearing issue...
is it too hasty to buy a new wheel hub ($300 plus import shipping plus labor cost) and order to change it without being able to verify the current wheel hub status?
Another idea is to exchange the wheel hub installed on the right with the installed on the left and get a drive test, but I think the cost of labor is not worth. I will be paying for doing all that effort just to test something that is almost certainly damaged ...
is it too hasty to buy a new wheel hub ($300 plus import shipping plus labor cost) and order to change it without being able to verify the current wheel hub status?
Another idea is to exchange the wheel hub installed on the right with the installed on the left and get a drive test, but I think the cost of labor is not worth. I will be paying for doing all that effort just to test something that is almost certainly damaged ...
Last edited by miniuy; 04-06-2018 at 06:39 AM.
#10
The rim was straightened and was exchanged with the rear one, then alignment service and wheels balancing service were done.
After that, the noise was reduced by about 70%-80%
That's why I started to believe it's a combination of damage to the rim (fixed) and damage to the wheel hub ...
#11
Anyone has good/bad experience with these brands?
I'm searching for the best price/quality in wheel hub with bearing
There is no way to select the last option. I can't believe that price difference is not by reducing quality. And wheel parts are not for get the cheapest one...
OEM.......250
BCA........200
MEYLE.....175
NTN........150
NSK........140
OPTIMAL..100
Prime Choice..............................40 (???)
I'm searching for the best price/quality in wheel hub with bearing
There is no way to select the last option. I can't believe that price difference is not by reducing quality. And wheel parts are not for get the cheapest one...
OEM.......250
BCA........200
MEYLE.....175
NTN........150
NSK........140
OPTIMAL..100
Prime Choice..............................40 (???)
Last edited by miniuy; 04-09-2018 at 01:20 PM.
#12
#13
Update
After replacing the wheel hub, the "tire sound" finally gone.
I just need an alignment service, since there is a small vibration now on the steering wheel but it is an expected behavior after this replacement.
I will test again and will report the result after the alignment service...
I just need an alignment service, since there is a small vibration now on the steering wheel but it is an expected behavior after this replacement.
I will test again and will report the result after the alignment service...
#15
Fixed
After the alignment service everything has been perfect.
There are no more noises on the right front tire nor vibration on the steering wheel when turning at high speed to the left (tested on the highway).
Then, the issue finally was fixed by reparing the rim, changing the wheel hub bearing involved and getting an alignment service.
The blow received from the side, bent the rim and also bent the wheel hub bearing.
In my case, not others issues at all.
Thank you very much to everyone who suggested the list of parts to check!
There are no more noises on the right front tire nor vibration on the steering wheel when turning at high speed to the left (tested on the highway).
Then, the issue finally was fixed by reparing the rim, changing the wheel hub bearing involved and getting an alignment service.
The blow received from the side, bent the rim and also bent the wheel hub bearing.
In my case, not others issues at all.
Thank you very much to everyone who suggested the list of parts to check!
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