R56 Two and a half quarts low HELP!
Parthos,
8 months back I performed the PCV delete and a catch can. Everything seemed good although I seemed to be using more oil. I then installed a turbo back catless exhaust a few months later. Shortly after installing the exhaust I started noticing that when the car was at idle for more than 20 seconds or so blue smoke (oil smoke) would come from the tail pipe, just a bit at first but after 45 seconds or so I had a nice cloud coming from my car. It never ran different just smoke. I then started looking up possible causes for this. I found that the turbo shaft seals on these and all cars are only designed for holding air pressure out of the oil passage not oil in the turbo so to speak. The turbo oil feed and exit are sealed in the crank case. If there is any pressure in the crank case exceeding the pressure in the exhaust or compressor side oil will leak. I then reinstalled the PCV tube on the intake side with a catch can on both. The smoke in the exhaust was gone completely and oil consumption went back to where it was before the PCV delete. It appeared that the CAT converter was stripping/burning off the extra oil thus no smoke. I know the idea of eliminating the PCV (oil in the intake) sounds like a good idea but I think it is causing more problems long term to other parts. My theory is that the PCV valves in the cover have a cracking pressure of .5 PSI according to the bently manual which would be higher pressure than the pressure in the exhaust/intake creating a leak. Sorry for the long post and possibly the incorrect location.
8 months back I performed the PCV delete and a catch can. Everything seemed good although I seemed to be using more oil. I then installed a turbo back catless exhaust a few months later. Shortly after installing the exhaust I started noticing that when the car was at idle for more than 20 seconds or so blue smoke (oil smoke) would come from the tail pipe, just a bit at first but after 45 seconds or so I had a nice cloud coming from my car. It never ran different just smoke. I then started looking up possible causes for this. I found that the turbo shaft seals on these and all cars are only designed for holding air pressure out of the oil passage not oil in the turbo so to speak. The turbo oil feed and exit are sealed in the crank case. If there is any pressure in the crank case exceeding the pressure in the exhaust or compressor side oil will leak. I then reinstalled the PCV tube on the intake side with a catch can on both. The smoke in the exhaust was gone completely and oil consumption went back to where it was before the PCV delete. It appeared that the CAT converter was stripping/burning off the extra oil thus no smoke. I know the idea of eliminating the PCV (oil in the intake) sounds like a good idea but I think it is causing more problems long term to other parts. My theory is that the PCV valves in the cover have a cracking pressure of .5 PSI according to the bently manual which would be higher pressure than the pressure in the exhaust/intake creating a leak. Sorry for the long post and possibly the incorrect location.
Parthos,
8 months back I performed the PCV delete and a catch can. Everything seemed good although I seemed to be using more oil. I then installed a turbo back catless exhaust a few months later. Shortly after installing the exhaust I started noticing that when the car was at idle for more than 20 seconds or so blue smoke (oil smoke) would come from the tail pipe, just a bit at first but after 45 seconds or so I had a nice cloud coming from my car. It never ran different just smoke. I then started looking up possible causes for this. I found that the turbo shaft seals on these and all cars are only designed for holding air pressure out of the oil passage not oil in the turbo so to speak. The turbo oil feed and exit are sealed in the crank case. If there is any pressure in the crank case exceeding the pressure in the exhaust or compressor side oil will leak. I then reinstalled the PCV tube on the intake side with a catch can on both. The smoke in the exhaust was gone completely and oil consumption went back to where it was before the PCV delete. It appeared that the CAT converter was stripping/burning off the extra oil thus no smoke. I know the idea of eliminating the PCV (oil in the intake) sounds like a good idea but I think it is causing more problems long term to other parts. My theory is that the PCV valves in the cover have a cracking pressure of .5 PSI according to the bently manual which would be higher pressure than the pressure in the exhaust/intake creating a leak. Sorry for the long post and possibly the incorrect location.
8 months back I performed the PCV delete and a catch can. Everything seemed good although I seemed to be using more oil. I then installed a turbo back catless exhaust a few months later. Shortly after installing the exhaust I started noticing that when the car was at idle for more than 20 seconds or so blue smoke (oil smoke) would come from the tail pipe, just a bit at first but after 45 seconds or so I had a nice cloud coming from my car. It never ran different just smoke. I then started looking up possible causes for this. I found that the turbo shaft seals on these and all cars are only designed for holding air pressure out of the oil passage not oil in the turbo so to speak. The turbo oil feed and exit are sealed in the crank case. If there is any pressure in the crank case exceeding the pressure in the exhaust or compressor side oil will leak. I then reinstalled the PCV tube on the intake side with a catch can on both. The smoke in the exhaust was gone completely and oil consumption went back to where it was before the PCV delete. It appeared that the CAT converter was stripping/burning off the extra oil thus no smoke. I know the idea of eliminating the PCV (oil in the intake) sounds like a good idea but I think it is causing more problems long term to other parts. My theory is that the PCV valves in the cover have a cracking pressure of .5 PSI according to the bently manual which would be higher pressure than the pressure in the exhaust/intake creating a leak. Sorry for the long post and possibly the incorrect location.
I moved my discussion on the PCV topic to a new post so this one could keep on topic. (My first post every by the way)
If you would like to discuss my findings hop over here..
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post3524905
If you would like to discuss my findings hop over here..
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post3524905
Oil Consumption and dipstick.
BTW - other cars: 99 Boxster - 93 k miles - change oil once a year (6500-8000 miles) haven't had to add oil between changes since it hit 25k miles.
Same - Cayenne 2008 - never needs oil (8-10k between changes).
Of course, I freak when I realize the oil is down more than a little.
Thanks for the tip on the dipstick! AND the PCV delete info.
Last edited by Lemmy Caution; Jun 24, 2012 at 02:22 PM.
Really? Both of mine do. I'd argue just the opposite - the newer, junky ones don't have them, while the "real" ones had them. Back in the day.
Today I learned that something is wrong with my JCW and low. Was driving to work and took a quick acute curve and my oil light came on halfway through it like the sensor was noticing low oil.
So immediately I went and took it to MINI and had them fill oil since that was all I had time for and they had no loaners, but it was two and a half quarts low
from what the tech said.
What exactly could it be? There is no leaks from everything I can tell and if it is burning that much oils since October of last year should I be severely worried? I have heard MINIs burn oil but I know it can't be that much oil.
Any advice is helpful just concerned that something else could be wrong. Also, I haven't been noticing the oil getting low but the dipstick is almost impossible to read on my 09 JCW
So immediately I went and took it to MINI and had them fill oil since that was all I had time for and they had no loaners, but it was two and a half quarts low
from what the tech said. What exactly could it be? There is no leaks from everything I can tell and if it is burning that much oils since October of last year should I be severely worried? I have heard MINIs burn oil but I know it can't be that much oil.
Any advice is helpful just concerned that something else could be wrong. Also, I haven't been noticing the oil getting low but the dipstick is almost impossible to read on my 09 JCW
Just a tip especially when oil is clean and hardly visible on the stock dipstick, is to use a paper towel and after wiping and reinserting the dipstick carefully fold a clean section of the paper towel over the end and see the oil level show up on the paper towel and without moving the stick you can see where the level is according to the end of the stick... If your oil is dirty enough to show up it needs changed most likely on the stock stick...
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Just a tip especially when oil is clean and hardly visible on the stock dipstick, is to use a paper towel and after wiping and reinserting the dipstick carefully fold a clean section of the paper towel over the end and see the oil level show up on the paper towel and without moving the stick you can see where the level is according to the end of the stick... If your oil is dirty enough to show up it needs changed most likely on the stock stick...
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