R56 WTF Cadillac
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Dose anyone here remember that Dudley Moore movie called Crazy People, where he plays an add executive that get sent to the nut house because he decided to tell the truth in all his adds. Some of the adds they came up with were great, "Volvo, It's boxy but its good" or "Jaguar, for men that want sex with beautiful women."
How about this for this for the Escalade, "If you can afford $80,000 for a truck, why do you care what the gas mileage is? Just crush that hippy in the MINI."
How about this for this for the Escalade, "If you can afford $80,000 for a truck, why do you care what the gas mileage is? Just crush that hippy in the MINI."
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Dose anyone here remember that Dudley Moore movie called Crazy People, where he plays an add executive that get sent to the nut house because he decided to tell the truth in all his adds. Some of the adds they came up with were great, "Volvo, It's boxy but its good" or "Jaguar, for men that want sex with beautiful women."
How about this for this for the Escalade, "If you can afford $80,000 for a truck, why do you care what the gas mileage is? Just crush that hippy in the MINI."
How about this for this for the Escalade, "If you can afford $80,000 for a truck, why do you care what the gas mileage is? Just crush that hippy in the MINI."
I remember that movie! You got the Volvo ad right, but the Jaguar ad from the movie was a little different - it was "Jaguar - for men who'd like h*ndjobs from beautiful women they hardly know".
I think my favorite ad from the movie was the Sony commericial - "because caucasians are just too damn tall".
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I got upgraded to a very low mileage V8 Genesis in one of my last work trips, and had to pinch myself repeatedly to remind myself I was in... a... Hyundai?? Fast, refined, luxurious, and most astonishing of all: Lexus-quiet in the interior, even with the V8 blazing at 80mph.
Hate to say it, but it's true: nicest rental Ive had in years.
Hate to say it, but it's true: nicest rental Ive had in years.
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/coupe/
Hint: make sure to press the "+" sign when the video is playing.
Last edited by MichaelSF; Feb 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM.
Spot on.
I consider myself an informed auto consumer, having bought perhaps 200 cars or so.
I remember the days when American cars with 50,000 miles meant it was time to sell, before a car reached 75,000 and the used car value would really plummet.
(In fact, remember when odometers went to 99,000 and then they turned over to zero.
That tells you what even Detroit thought about their cars. And remember Kelly Blue Book's junk value on cars that had 90,000 or more miles on them.)
I remember when 80,000+ miles meant the American car was junk and a real risk to buy.
I remember when Japanese cars (and to a lesser extent some European cars, such as German made) meant that a car with 100,000+ miles meant the car still had 50,000 to go before needing repairs.
I remember when the consuming public started to get the message, American cars are junk, Japanese cars last a long, long time.
I remember when Detroit did not give a sheet about all this because they practiced planned obsolescence and aggressive cost cutting, meaning they built cars (and parts) to wear out by 75,000 miles, the goal being to sell us a new car. After all, Detroit "conspirators" said, how can a company sell new cars if old ones are built to last longer than three to four years, or 75,000 miles.
With all this, I turned to owning European and Japanese cars. This is after being burned with the four American cars I have owned over my lifetime. One of them was a GM car bought new that had an aluminum block, that when the car overheated it would cause the block to warp. End result, a then-expensive $3,500 engine replacement. The ultimate insult, GM did not give a rip and would not cover it under warranty. While in college I had to pay that $3,500 out of pocket.
Detroit's attitude and mistreatment to me cost them a lot of money. 196 cars and counting, I never bought American again.
And even more significant, with the 100 or so people I have had to help with car buying, I have never guided them to buy American. All listened to me and bought Japanese or German.
So in 2009 some people in here (and Detroit) are wondering why nothing Detroit says will convince people to buy their cars?
Hey, it took 30 years of mistreatment to forge the attitude I have.
It's going to take more than some catchy ads and a few mea culpas in front of Congress (that I don't believe) to motivate me to consider even kicking American car tires.
Nowadays buying an American car is asking us to take a chance on a $25,000 to $30,000 investment. That's not counting repairs and depreciation.
Sorry Detroit, our divorce appears final. And that maxim seems appropriate: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
I consider myself an informed auto consumer, having bought perhaps 200 cars or so.
I remember the days when American cars with 50,000 miles meant it was time to sell, before a car reached 75,000 and the used car value would really plummet.
(In fact, remember when odometers went to 99,000 and then they turned over to zero.
That tells you what even Detroit thought about their cars. And remember Kelly Blue Book's junk value on cars that had 90,000 or more miles on them.) I remember when 80,000+ miles meant the American car was junk and a real risk to buy.
I remember when Japanese cars (and to a lesser extent some European cars, such as German made) meant that a car with 100,000+ miles meant the car still had 50,000 to go before needing repairs.
I remember when the consuming public started to get the message, American cars are junk, Japanese cars last a long, long time.
I remember when Detroit did not give a sheet about all this because they practiced planned obsolescence and aggressive cost cutting, meaning they built cars (and parts) to wear out by 75,000 miles, the goal being to sell us a new car. After all, Detroit "conspirators" said, how can a company sell new cars if old ones are built to last longer than three to four years, or 75,000 miles.
With all this, I turned to owning European and Japanese cars. This is after being burned with the four American cars I have owned over my lifetime. One of them was a GM car bought new that had an aluminum block, that when the car overheated it would cause the block to warp. End result, a then-expensive $3,500 engine replacement. The ultimate insult, GM did not give a rip and would not cover it under warranty. While in college I had to pay that $3,500 out of pocket.
Detroit's attitude and mistreatment to me cost them a lot of money. 196 cars and counting, I never bought American again.
And even more significant, with the 100 or so people I have had to help with car buying, I have never guided them to buy American. All listened to me and bought Japanese or German.
So in 2009 some people in here (and Detroit) are wondering why nothing Detroit says will convince people to buy their cars?
Hey, it took 30 years of mistreatment to forge the attitude I have.
It's going to take more than some catchy ads and a few mea culpas in front of Congress (that I don't believe) to motivate me to consider even kicking American car tires.
Nowadays buying an American car is asking us to take a chance on a $25,000 to $30,000 investment. That's not counting repairs and depreciation.
Sorry Detroit, our divorce appears final. And that maxim seems appropriate: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
I dont know what you are saying...today Hyundai is one of the best reliable cars made. Times and expectations on quality have changed for all car manufacturers. Today GM has a good line up with cars that get great MPG.
So this is not the "OLD" days and neither import or domestic cars are what they used to be. That comparison means you are not up on what car builders are offering today or you would not make that comparo.
Read some car mags and see the testing and long term reliabilty reports, there impressive.
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Oh no, someone disagrees with MY point of view? I'm crestfallen.
You are right, having owned Mercedes (9), Jaguar (2), BMW (14), Alpha Romeo (2), Fiat (3), Datsun (3), Audi (12), VW (9), Nissan (6) , Toyota (6), Datsun (3), Nissan (6), Ferrari (1), GM (2), Ford (2), to name a few, I don't know enough about cars to say something about them.
Oh and I forgot, I did own another American car, a Plymouth in HS. It was OK, but I hit a deer on a mountain road. The deer was OK and fled, but the Plymouth died on the road.
My main point was not that American cars are not a better product than before, in fact I think they are, especially the styling. The Chevrolets look great, IMHO.
I was saying that it took years for Detroit to create the impression in us that Japanese cars are a better product and American cars are junk; it will take years to get us back to where we might again look at Detroit's products.
Sidenote: I admit that a few months ago I saw a Chevy SUV parked in my public/private parking garage. I walked over to it and looked inside the window because I was impressed with its outside detailing.
I also admit that I have told friends that we need to consider buying American cars the next time around to support our economy.
Personally, however, I want to give it a few more years to make sure Detroit is putting out a good product. I like GM's offerings, but really like the Ford Escape hybrid.
But to get me to where I have even thought about American cars has taken about five years of looking at them from the distance. Will take me about five years (?) to maybe consider taking the plunge. That's ten years it will have taken to convince me to come back, which is what my point was.
You are right, having owned Mercedes (9), Jaguar (2), BMW (14), Alpha Romeo (2), Fiat (3), Datsun (3), Audi (12), VW (9), Nissan (6) , Toyota (6), Datsun (3), Nissan (6), Ferrari (1), GM (2), Ford (2), to name a few, I don't know enough about cars to say something about them.
Oh and I forgot, I did own another American car, a Plymouth in HS. It was OK, but I hit a deer on a mountain road. The deer was OK and fled, but the Plymouth died on the road.
My main point was not that American cars are not a better product than before, in fact I think they are, especially the styling. The Chevrolets look great, IMHO.
I was saying that it took years for Detroit to create the impression in us that Japanese cars are a better product and American cars are junk; it will take years to get us back to where we might again look at Detroit's products.
Sidenote: I admit that a few months ago I saw a Chevy SUV parked in my public/private parking garage. I walked over to it and looked inside the window because I was impressed with its outside detailing.
I also admit that I have told friends that we need to consider buying American cars the next time around to support our economy.
Personally, however, I want to give it a few more years to make sure Detroit is putting out a good product. I like GM's offerings, but really like the Ford Escape hybrid.
But to get me to where I have even thought about American cars has taken about five years of looking at them from the distance. Will take me about five years (?) to maybe consider taking the plunge. That's ten years it will have taken to convince me to come back, which is what my point was.
Last edited by MichaelSF; Feb 24, 2009 at 04:24 PM.
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And Ford? Jesus... if you parked half their current line in a row, you could replace a few mirrors in a solar power plant array with all the chrome on the front end. "I know! Let's put what looks like big, thick bars of metal on the front of our passenger cars... that'll make people think it's going to be economical!"
Oh, and you listed Nissan twice.
And Ford? Jesus... if you parked half their current line in a row, you could replace a few mirrors in a solar power plant array with all the chrome on the front end. "I know! Let's put what looks like big, thick bars of metal on the front of our passenger cars... that'll make people think it's going to be economical!"
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as for the subject advertisement's claim about gas mileage--i could not find anywhere that any model of the MINI--justacooper, S, convertible, supercharged or turbo--with 19 mpg as the commercial claims (or at least thought it claimed). the least i saw was 21 mpg. am i correct that the fine print in the ad said 19?
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as for the subject advertisement's claim about gas mileage--i could not find anywhere that any model of the MINI--justacooper, S, convertible, supercharged or turbo--with 19 mpg as the commercial claims (or at least thought it claimed). the least i saw was 21 mpg. am i correct that the fine print in the ad said 19?
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...You are right, having owned Mercedes (9), Jaguar (2), BMW (14), Alpha Romeo (2), Fiat (3), Datsun (3), Audi (12), VW (9), Nissan (6) , Toyota (6), Datsun (3), Nissan (6), Ferrari (1), GM (2), Ford (2), to name a few, I don't know enough about cars to say something about them...
I count 75 cars, if it's the number of each make!
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Since the introduction of the R56 Convertible the commerical's out of date. Caddillac could only run that commercial for the short time that the R52 and Hybrid SUVs were both new, that's passed now.
Does anyone have a link to the video? My marketing professor hasn't seen it and was using dang near the same example in his lecture earlier today.
Does anyone have a link to the video? My marketing professor hasn't seen it and was using dang near the same example in his lecture earlier today.
Cadillac sponsors FX's show Damages, they had a part where a guy was at a dealership looking at an Escalade. Salesman gave him the schpeel about getting better gas mileage then a Mini Cooper S convertible
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And Ford? Jesus... if you parked half their current line in a row, you could replace a few mirrors in a solar power plant array with all the chrome on the front end. "I know! Let's put what looks like big, thick bars of metal on the front of our passenger cars... that'll make people think it's going to be economical!"
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Lets compare a 4 Door Sedan with a 135i...
The fact that you don't know what the car even called tells me u have no clue.
The GXP G8 is very comparible to a 535.
Last edited by thedak; Feb 24, 2009 at 07:07 PM.
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They cut down on the garish hood nostrils of the old model (which is an improvement), but it's still a fugly car.
And, really, the 535 is what's known as a luxury car... I don't think anyone will mistake the new GTO as a luxury car. Yes, both are 4 door sedans, but it's a different class entirely. Next you'll be comparing a Corvette to a Merc or something.
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The 04-06 GTO and the 08-09 G8 were and are both manufactured by Holden in Australia.
They make excellent vehicles and are rebaged as Pontiacs in the US. (unfortunately)
I mean the "New 4 Door GTO".
They make excellent vehicles and are rebaged as Pontiacs in the US. (unfortunately)
I mean the "New 4 Door GTO".
Last edited by thedak; Feb 24, 2009 at 07:53 PM.