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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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You should buy a Kia...
And you should keep your snotty (no reference to your self portrait intended) comments to yourself...
 

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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jascooper
And you should keep your snotty (no reference to your self portrait intended) comments to yourself...
Apparently your other car is a Kia. Sorry to hear that.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrVvrroomm
Apparently your other car is a Kia. Sorry to hear that.
speaking of trolls.....
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MrVvrroomm
Apparently your other car is a Kia. Sorry to hear that.
wow. that's a helpful, well thought out reply. did you think of that all by yourself? show some manners please.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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I like a girl that shows a little leg.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MrVvrroomm
Apparently your other car is a Kia. Sorry to hear that.
Are you vying to be poster child for "What's wrong with NAM". You really ought to learn to contribute to the discussion or go elsewhere. And not that it matters, but my other car is a Harley Davidson.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Wait just a minute... I thought we were talking about my car's ugly butt?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Tsk, tsk ... look at those scandalously exposed control-arms! At least they're not garish al-loo-MIN-ium.

 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by curtis0407
Wait just a minute... I thought we were talking about my car's ugly butt?
My apologies. I was just trying to do a little troll control. The webmaster has stated that he prefers members to moderate discussions ourselves so they don't have to get involved too often.

Back to the regularly scheduled program already in progress, your car's ugly butt, or genik's?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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yeah.....exposed suspension makes it a race car

 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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My apologies. I was just trying to do a little troll control. The webmaster has stated that he prefers members to moderate discussions ourselves so they don't have to get involved too often.

Back to the regularly scheduled program already in progress, your car's ugly butt, or genik's?
Apology accepted... I appreciate your effort.

Now, do you think there is a way we R56ers can dissuade people from going back there - you know the saying, "outa' sight, outa' mind..."

Ah well, I guess I will go get some flat black Krylon so as not to "offend" anyone.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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So the krylon fixes the control arm issue.....has anyone seen any good pictures of an r56 that was able to reduce the bumper-to-ground gap? I would be interested in seeing what method they used....be it coilovers or smaller tires.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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there are some subtle, cheap ways to lessen the appearance of the higher beltline. Black out the chrome accent around the base of the glass, paint the rear links, etc. I think maybe $20 and an hour and you're in bidness, if it bugs you (it would me).
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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1. The angle of view on the greencar from the OP is very low compared to the picture of the JCW kit equipped car. Look at the top of the rear bumper. Therefore, not a fair comparison.

2. The picture of hypersport equipped car is taken against dark background of the garage. Therefore, the control arms painted in black are almost invisible. But look at the picture of the SUV with the black control arms. That's what they look like in real life when you see them on the road. Very visible.

3. The F1 cars' control arms and tierods are close to horizontal but the MINI's control arms are angled more like those of SUV's. Therefore, not a good analogy.

4. If the red aftermarket control arms are that much better looking you might as well paint the stock ones red and leave the end portion silver and from few yards away people won't know the difference.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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Some people just like looking at boots. Myself, I like gazing upon a nice set of headlights (xenons, of course... get your mind out of the gutter)
I may be so inclined if my MCS had xenons... so, I guess I am stuck with the boot gutterboys!

there are some subtle, cheap ways to lessen the appearance of the higher beltline. Black out the chrome accent around the base of the glass, paint the rear links, etc. I think maybe $20 and an hour and you're in bidness, if it bugs you (it would me).
The ride height bugs a little. The higher beltline does not. In fact, I am kinda' fond of the chrome bits and pieces and would not like them blacked out. In the end, I will install some H&Rs or similar to drop the car an inch or so. Painting the lateral links would be an interim "bandaid" if I can get around to it.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateral G
I did a search for R56 control arm failure, and found myself back at this thread. The links above are for 1st gen control arm failures.

And the "problem"? Car parts being visible on a car? My gracious!
Its nmot only viewable by other cars following, you can see it in a 5m distance while you are on your dog walk! Its an aesthetic problem! Why not solve it?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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I understand that some people find it an aesthetic issue. I don't. The control arm is where it should be. The short overhang makes it visible. C'est la vie.

Now, the fake brake ducts on the side skirts of the JCW aero kit, that's a real aesthetic problem. They're foolish geegaws that have no functional purpose.

Disclaimer: I'm an engineer. Non-functional decorations are aesthetic problems. Well-engineered, functional car parts are not a aesthetic problems.
 

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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by genik
Its nmot only viewable by other cars following, you can see it in a 5m distance while you are on your dog walk! Its an aesthetic problem! Why not solve it?
As has been said, it isn't an aesthetic problem to everyone (myself included). The painted "fix" looks pretty good, and seems like a cheap, viable way to deal with it. Lowering the car or adding body kits can, obviously, add quite a bit of a cost to this "problem."
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lateral G
Disclaimer: I'm an engineer. Non-functional decorations are aesthetic problems. Well-engineered, functional car parts are not a aesthetic problems.

We'd all be driving cars that looked like F1 cars with more in-line seats, methinks
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lateral G
I understand that some people find it an aesthetic issue. I don't. The control arm is where it should be. The short overhang makes it visible. C'est la vie.

Now, the fake brake ducts on the side skirts of the JCW aero kit, that's a real aesthetic problem. They're foolish geegaws that have no functional purpose.

Disclaimer: I'm an engineer. Non-functional decorations are aesthetic problems. Well-engineered, functional car parts are not a aesthetic problems.
I'm an engineer too. There's no excuse for making exposed functional parts look bad. The shiny aluminum fits with nothing else, but looks just fine if painted black (but still exposed). And I like the JCW geegaws. The look cool. To each his own.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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it's not really a problem with jcw kit....this is taken from below eye level with license plate

 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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As has been said, it isn't an aesthetic problem to everyone (myself included). The painted "fix" looks pretty good, and seems like a cheap, viable way to deal with it. Lowering the car or adding body kits can, obviously, add quite a bit of a cost to this "problem."
How does saying that it's not a problem to everyone help him? If you don't see a problem with it.....no need to post in this thread. People keep trying to make arguments that it isn't a problem and are trying to defend the r56.....but it keeps knocking the thread off topic.

Painting the parts doesn't really help the ride height at all.....it just makes the parts black. And of course lowering it helps.....but it would be helpful to share which is best. As far as i have seen....the H&R springs don't really lower the ride and help the rear bumper....so maybe coilovers? Which coilovers are the best for solving this problem? Has anyone tried lowering by lowering the profile of their tires? How much lower is the aero kit compared to the stock bumper? A discussion like this would be more helpful than the comments like "I don't see a problem i like my r56, thank you", "There's no problem....just spray paint it black", or trying to call this guy an r-56 basher simply because he happens to think the car should be lower (in his opinion).
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Well, that's exactly the thing. There is no objective way of calling anything "best." It's completely subjective.

Lowering the car to the ground will help him, but saying the H&R springs will be best or coilovers will be best is an unknown. What is best for him? Can you tell us that? (This is not to be taken defensively, I'm just illustrating the point that saying ANYTHING is "best" is subjective)

So, in the interest of helping him, so far the suggestions are:
- Lower the car
- Get a bigger rear bumper
- Paint the things black
- Changing the profile of the tire (though I don't think this will lower the car enough to hide the control arms)
Or a combination of the three.

How is this not helpful?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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How does saying that it's not a problem to everyone help him? If you don't see a problem with it.....no need to post in this thread. People keep trying to make arguments that it isn't a problem and are trying to defend the r56.....but it keeps knocking the thread off topic.

Painting the parts doesn't really help the ride height at all.....it just makes the parts black. And of course lowering it helps.....but it would be helpful to share which is best. As far as i have seen....the H&R springs don't really lower the ride and help the rear bumper....so maybe coilovers? Which coilovers are the best for solving this problem? Has anyone tried lowering by lowering the profile of their tires? How much lower is the aero kit compared to the stock bumper? A discussion like this would be more helpful than the comments like "I don't see a problem i like my r56, thank you", "There's no problem....just spray paint it black", or trying to call this guy an r-56 basher simply because he happens to think the car should be lower (in his opinion).
Thank you my friend for setting things straight! I think you post has helped the most so far!
 
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