R55 Who knows what to believe, anymore!?!
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Who knows what to believe, anymore!?!
"Strategic Vision noted that the Mini Cooper was ranked last in initial quality by the most recent J.D. Power survey, but under the criteria used by the Strategic Vision index, the Mini was the highest-rated brand in Total Quality in its price category."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...id=43439&tsp=1
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...id=43439&tsp=1
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I has allways been MY belief that JD Powers is a Bought and Paid for survey ranking by the automotive industry. Also you have to take in consideration of how thw survey questions were presented to the surveyee. I just took a survey from another site that had weird questions, and not any that were relivent to what "I" wanted to say or submit. Sharp pencils do work wonders with stats and figures.
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Unlike J.D. Power's annual initial-quality study, which rates vehicles and manufacturers strictly on the number of warranty complaints to dealers in the first three months of new-vehicle ownership, the Strategic Vision survey takes into account the emotional aspects of ownership — how pleased consumers are with the way their vehicles look and feel.
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http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...EXTKEY=I72RSMG
So they don't like the club doors and the engine performance is "average". I'm fine with both the doors and my car's engine (albeit an S), so when you put this sorta stuff into the proper context...
The Clubman is a longer version of the Mini Cooper, with a larger backseat and more cargo space. A small rear-hinged door on the right side helps rear access. The Clubman is just as fun to drive as the standard Mini, with impressive steering, handling, and braking, but the improvement in utility is modest; the rear delivery-van-style doors hinder cargo access and rear vision. The Clubman ($24,700 MSRP as tested) is equipped with a smooth, 118-hp, 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine that delivers average performance but above-average fuel economy. The six-speed automatic transmission shifts quickly and smoothly. Braking is excellent.
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It gets so tiresome listening to all the 'pro's tell us what we should think...it seems they think we can't think for ourselves! We're a step ahead, as regular users...bottom line. Barn doors hinder access?....you've got to be effing kidding me.
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I completely agree. I'm just really pissed off that I only have one.
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And I bet the '63 Stingray's split down the back window bothered them greatly. Mirrors work also. Anything to ***** about a offering that "They" didn't think of, or won't produce. I really enjoy the toggle switches and center stack, as it's DIFFERENT and kinda cool. If I wanted plain jane run of the mill anyone can use it without thought or IQ, I would have bought another "Borg" type vehicle instead of this one. Isn't a bit of "Special" what we purchased here?
Just sayin.........
Just sayin.........
#12
From a practical standpoint, there isn't much that would be completely covered by that blind spot.
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Ever drive a large truck? That's what those mirrors on the doors are for. In comparison there is a cavernous view on the Clubman and it's one of the great endearing character quirks.
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I'm in complete agreement with that.
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Experts don't know much!
Heck, they thought that "Bruno" wouldn't/couldn't make money...it was tops at the box office...that is until Wednesday...ya know the Harry "Stuff" gets released!
I love the "barndoors" they make it very easy to put my golf shoes on when I sit on the rear. I think a hatch would have been too low. Not sure what "average" engine means - this engine is very peppy, and can get the Clubbie movin with the best of them - especially when I "drive it like I stole it MODE", i.e., sport button!
Heck, they thought that "Bruno" wouldn't/couldn't make money...it was tops at the box office...that is until Wednesday...ya know the Harry "Stuff" gets released!
I love the "barndoors" they make it very easy to put my golf shoes on when I sit on the rear. I think a hatch would have been too low. Not sure what "average" engine means - this engine is very peppy, and can get the Clubbie movin with the best of them - especially when I "drive it like I stole it MODE", i.e., sport button!
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Same here. Got the invite yesterday. They wanted to know the cars I cross-shopped and why I choose the MINI over those other cars. Not a single question about build, quality, problems, etc...
#21
Totally convinced the Clubman was One of my Best decisions I have made.
(This is my Second Mini one of my other great decisions)
You guys are correct the Barn doors are addicting, extreamly handy and happen to be Cool. The center is not a hinderance (If you can learn to Move your eyes or head and look into One of the three Mirrors )
alot of VAN's, Suburban's, and SUV's have a center column similar.
Wassup wit dat?
(This is my Second Mini one of my other great decisions)
You guys are correct the Barn doors are addicting, extreamly handy and happen to be Cool. The center is not a hinderance (If you can learn to Move your eyes or head and look into One of the three Mirrors )
alot of VAN's, Suburban's, and SUV's have a center column similar.
Wassup wit dat?
#22
I have to say that the split from the barn doors is a hindrance of sorts. If you look back you have to focus your sight to one of the two sides. If you don't your eyesight is naturally split because of it. Of course this can be overcome with the side mirrors or focusing your sight on one barn door window as opposed to the pair of them.
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Yeah it's the same with me. When driving home the day of delivery I noticed the split rear windows. Since then I havent even noticed it. Actually the only vision problem I have is when Im directly under a stop light and have to crane my neck to see it change to green.
Im ordering a "LightInSight" now. Reviews say it works well...looks like I'll have to wait "2-3 weeks" to find out!
Im ordering a "LightInSight" now. Reviews say it works well...looks like I'll have to wait "2-3 weeks" to find out!
#24
being tall, my rear view mirror creates a much worse blind spot than the barn doors. Really annoying. Gotta duck if I'm making fast right turns to make sure nothing is darting out at me. Barn doors are totally fine.
edit: btw, I really like the LightInSight. Simple idea that really works well.
edit: btw, I really like the LightInSight. Simple idea that really works well.
Last edited by ebh; 07-22-2009 at 06:47 PM.
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I really enjoyed reading through this thread. While I don't appreciate some of the mixed reviews on our mini's and the potential negative comments, I guess these cars are not for everyone. I for one am very thankful we didn't purchase an easy to see out of the back, window switch on the door BORING, BORING vehicle. We looked at some very competant vehicles but not one of them had any pizazz, character or whatever you want to classify it as. Sure there are defintely some "quirks" to our vehicles, but nothing that I have found to be disturbing. On the other side of the balance sheet, we have a car that is truly fun to drive, begs to be "driven" while being fairly economical and quite a competent hauler in clubman form. No survey results will take the smile off my face when I get in ours and push that start button. Motor ON!