That's all it is... A way of defending onesself. It's great if you don't feel like you need that. For some people, if nothing else, it gives them a sense of security, even if they never use it.

 

[QUOTE=planeguy]yawn........It is a modest means of self defense.....and thats the point
again, nobody is talking about carrying guns an knives


You're kidding right? As an example, please go back and read the post where the person was talking about when they lived in Florida and carried a gun in their car.


I'll grant you that it is indeed about choices-I'm sure everyone is supportive of choice, right? However, since when is the law black and white? What one jury may think is justified another may think is against the law. So, someone's choice can effect me or you. It might be a semantic issue, but still a depressing thought nonetheless.

I guess my feeling is, this is what our world has come to? People believe the NEED to carry a weapon in their car to feel safe? Is Witchita or Portland or Orlando really that dangerous of a place?

 

I hope that is all it is. Reading some of these posts though doesn't make me feel like security is all some of these people are looking for.

 

There are parts of Orlando I'd avoid going through on my own or at night or both, same goes for Chicago and New York.

 

"I'm going to try spunkytuna's idea and see how it works. Then maybe i will consider the clips, although I hate the idea of drilling anything at all into the MINI."


Why not get some Velcro and use it to fasten your flashlight to the horizontal pillar in the driver's door? Then it won't rattle and will still be easily accessible, should you need it in a hurry.

 

Flying Maglite

 

haha. I have one of those in my car. Its not for safety though.. just cause I still haven't totally unpacked my car from The Dragon

 

I'm sure it is... it's hard to judge what people's real intentions are online

 

No it's not and ......again thats the point. I can drive around and not really worry one bit about someone car jacking me at gunpoint or knifing me in a parking lot (certain parts of certain towns excluded)

But It is prudent planning and reasonble to expect that on any given day someone may threaten you with harm.....for whatever reason. Everybody is armed with a mouth and some use it rather recklessly.....I have never gotten a gun stuffed in my face but I have caught a few fists in my life....and that is all that is being concidered here.

The security here is only limited to the MODEST means of self defense a flashlight could afford. Some of you have blown this WAY out of proportion, you would think he asked where to pack explosives or something

 

so since you brought it up, where *should* i pack the explosives in my '06 MC?

 

This is a silly thread. Now, I'm a big fan of SILLY, but this is stupid SILLY.

If you're that paranoid, you need Meds. If you're that inclined towards violence, you need mental help. If you feel that threatened in public, you should probably move somewhere else.

- - m

 

I carry my gun on my person 95% of the time (barring going to work). I carry 2 types a Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA or if more discretion is required a Kel-Tec P32. In long trips the weapon will reside in the door. That is not my strong side but id is convent. As far as a Mag-lite are a weapon I would prefer pepper spray.

 

At times it looks staged and the voice and choice of verbiage by the cameraman doesn't remove my doubt either, but for your entertainment:

Recent addition to youtube approx 6 min vid **!!Caution rough language!!**

BTW: Is that a MINI in front of the Z in the beginning??

 

That's one of the best cases for a conceal and carry law that I have ever seen! That kind of crap happens all the time to someone out there.

That dude must have been really cool headed or a lawyer....because he set those hillbillys up to justifiably pull his weapon. You know he knew that he needed to get them alone and let them corner him in the dead end. He retreated until he could retreat no more. and he was cool egnough to not discharge the weapon. I was thinking that i would have put a hole in the ground or thier truck to let them know that this ain't no toy.....but then that would have been a crime. and the cops would be on z4 dude.

well played

 

I live both in ny city and on long island, next to nycity. I used to go to the south bronx all of the time.

If you pull out a weapon, you get shot or killed. Maybe in some hick town you can club people, but really, its useless unless you carry 2 guns and are cop. one to shoot without hesitation, the other to plant on the poor dead dude.

Other than that, there is not point to weapon self defense in a car. When you brandish one, you threaten someones life instead of their ego. It becomes now not a pissing match but a fight to the death. Ever killed someone? Probably not, I wouldnt try getting into something you arent used to or you wouldnt want to finish.
just freakin DRIVE. or walk. that's self defense.

 

Actually, were the incident true, the z4 dude committed armed robbery by taking the camera at gunpoint. Definitely a no-no. A felony in our State.

 

That video is all over the net.

There are too many suspicious things in it ... like where the GF was standing at the end

Consensus seems to be its all staged ...

 

Not in the great state of Florida. Bat in hand=bullet in the head

 

You could kill him, but you'd still have to leave the camera.

 

That means you're a slow draw/bad aim and lost the gun fight...that's the way it goes...

 

true

After trying a little research into the authenticity of the video.....and reading what other people in forums said.....I think this issue seems to be divided along city -vs- country people

In this thread, most of the people who say people should not carry a weapon, strangely egnough are city people....I guess it is because every day someone gets murdered...even though it is still 1 in several million people in any given large metro area, they have this idea that everyone is better armed than they are so run for your life should anyone challenge you.....I cant imagine living like this..... Meanwhile out here in red state land, even decent sized cities we still take care of ourselves first, and our first inclination is to fight not flight. win or loose we are going to defend ourselves first and ask questions later, and if something goes down we would rather be prepared than scared......somehow this is characterized as fear by the city folk.....so both sides characterize the other side as paranoid

 

The city folks/liberals should be paranoid...the red states have all the guns

BTW...not all city folks are liberals

 

A six-C-cell Maglight makes a much better baton, and if you have aftermarket floor mats or carpets, fits nicely under the passenger-side rear-seat floor mat, where it is easily accessible from the driver's seat.

You can make any Maglight about three times brighter by replacing the bulb with a $25 aftermarket LED upgrade.

Bad things happen to good people everywhere. Think about that the next time your car dies on the road at night. Having no means of self-defense at all seems very blue-state...

 

I've a 5 D cell Mag. Durn near as big as my MINI. Weighs almost as much too it seems. It stays in the house. I keep an old right-angle Army flashlight in the boot box along with a couple fuses (and my front plate with a couple of screws) as well as a couple of microfiber towels. Oh yeah, and a digital tire gauge.

I taught my daughter that no matter where she is there is always something that can be used as a weapon. I told her not to be paranoid, but to be aware of her surroundings at all times. Bad things can and do happen to good people. You and I both know that. Just read the papers. So a dual purpose addition to the MINI is a win-win.

I think that part of the joy of living is finding that balance of freedom to enjoy yourself without worry whilst remaining intune with your surroundings.

Geez....I hope that made sense......

...Les

 

Quote "In this thread, most of the people who say people should not carry a weapon, strangely egnough are city people....I guess it is because every day someone gets murdered...even though it is still 1 in several million people in any given large metro area, they have this idea that everyone is better armed than they are so run for your life should anyone challenge you....."



I just had to respond to this comment. I grew up in San Diego and Washington, D.C. and now I live in Portland, OR. My feeling on the situation is that the amount of bad things-murders, violent assaults, etc- that happen are actually quite small when looking at the U.S. population as a whole. The media, however, constantly covers violent activities because it fascinates people. This fascination, in turn, preys upon people's basest fears.

My "blue state" philosophy is if something bad happens to me and I have made wise decisions about the situations I place myself in, then so be it. Living my life in fear to the point that I have to carry a weapon around in my car or on my person, makes absolutely no sense to me. I could never imagine living my life in that manner and I honestly pity those in our society that do. I have a strong faith in God and I make wise choices about not putting myself in dangerous sitautions. If something happens beyond that, then so be it. You have a better chance of dying in a car accident than being attacked and beaten while driving in your car. So, why drive a Mini and not the absolute best vehicle in accident protection? Why drive at all? We all take calculated risks. So be it.

Now, back to the debate: boot box or under the carpet or door well to keep your weapon?