I work At VW in Mexico and own a MCS electric blue, white 17´s, precious beauty!(couldn´t stand being the norm where everybody here at the plant own a VW) The city I live is about 1600 meters above sea level and I have raced against a Beetle Turbo, a Jetta turbo and lost from 0 to 100km/h. I have taken out the ASC for these races, but still lost. Why? Can anyone give me a reason why? I am not a bad driver at shifting because I have beat another MCS. Does the mini lose more power at higher altitude than a beetle turbo? I would like to have a scientific explanation if there are any science masters out there, and any stories of other races against these beetles and jettas. Am in desperate need of answers on how to kill them. Or else I have been fooled by all these magazines that say I can do 0 to 100 just like a Beetle Turbo S can(I haven´t dared raced against one of these yet)

 

You answer your own question in your signature: Find a twisty road.
Now I want you to go home and write 100 times: The MINI is not a drag racer. The MINI is not a drag racer. The MINI is not a drag racer...

 

>>You answer your own question in your signature: Find a twisty road.
>>Now I want you to go home and write 100 times: The MINI is not a drag racer. The MINI is not a drag racer. The MINI is not a drag racer...

ha......very good
but it is quick, none the less

 

I know it is not a drag racer, but how can it be phisically possible that a car with 150hp that weights more, beat a lighter car with 163hp, has anyone out there beat a beetle? cause if one can, than we all can, right? Oh, for the drag racer part I will in a future install the john cooper works kit(that hasn´t come out yet)
Also, what interests me is an altitude analysis. Anyone? beuler? anyone?

 

Describe your launch.

 

Ok, first of all, I live in Mexico City as well so I know that my MCS loses some power at this altitude.
First of all, in their normally aspirated versions, both the MINI and the Jetta/Beetle produce 115 horsepower. After forced induction (turbo/supercharger) the Jetta produces 180 hp while the Mini produces 163 hp. This means that the Jetta produces 17 more forced-induction-generated (and therefore altitude-resistant) horses than the MINI, causing it to lose a lower percentage of it's power at high altitude than the MINI.
Same goes for the Beetle turbo "S". (180 horses)
Things are different at sea level, though, where the MINI and Beetle turbo "S" achieve almost identical 0-60 times.
So if you want to beat a Beetle "S" or a Jetta turbo, you can do one of two things:
1. Modify your MCS
2. Move to Acapulco

The Beetle "sport", however, is an entirely different story: It squeezes out only 150 horses from it's lightly supercharged engine. I can't believe you were beaten by a 150-horse beetle "sport". There's just no way in hell..

I'm thinking maybe that Beetle was modyfied in some way, perhaps with something as simple as an ECU chip upgrade, which are readily available for that car and easily boost power to about 180 horses.
But losing to a STOCK beetle "sport"?..... BLASPHEMY!!!!

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2003 Dark Silver MCS, White top, Lapis Blue leather, Premium and Sport.

 

By the way...
Visit the Mexican Forum in the "forums" link...

 

Just a warning to everyone about racing VW 20V 1.8L turbos. A couple thousand bucks in chip, exhaust, and mild turbo upgrade can have these engines putting out nearly 300hp.

If you are into drag racing at stoplights, and you suspect that a Jetta, Beetle of Golf/GTI 1.8t might be even slightly modified, you had better have at least 200hp to the wheels in your MCS or your chances are slim in a straight line accelleration duel.

However, as stated above, find the twisty road and race the guy there, because the MK4 platform that is carrying these awesome VW/Audi engines simply will not hold up against the handling performance of your MCS. You will come out of every turn faster than he will, almost regardless of how much HP he has crammed into that 20V. The solid beam rear axle design of the VW simply cannot keep up!

Take it from a guy that has come over from the dark side!

A little pic of my beloved "Snot Rocket" in full sleeper/stealth mode with 15" stock wheels and badges downgraded from GTI to Golf. Only thing that would give away the secret was the 2.75" mild non-stainless-steel exhaust pipe that does not match the stock version. Sold a couple months ago and is now believed to be prowling around Oklahoma.







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I'm just here to have fun, participate, and not make an @$$ of myself!

 

>>How can I beat a Beetle Turbo Sport, or even a Turbo S for that matter?


Cut their tires !!



>> Or else I have been fooled by all these magazines that say I can do 0 to 100

100 MPH not 100 KPH.

 

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>>100 MPH not 100 KPH.

No, actually chegamais is right...100kph is roughly the same as 60mph, and several magazines including Road and Track state that 0-60mph (or 0-100 kmh) times for the MCS and Beetle Turbo "S" are identical according to their tests.

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2003 Dark Silver MCS, White top, Lapis Blue leather, Premium and Sport.

 

buy the new neon SRT....then you can easily win drag races against the turbo beetle...lol!...neither the MC or MCS were designed for fast straight line speed, but the corners are something else :smile:

 

on the day I was going back home to write 100 times(the mini is not a drag racer) I did do something different than the norm. I slammed the acelerator down, dropped the clutch(all with the ASC turned off) and off I went for about 5 seconds in a David Copperfield desapearing act, where I was at the stop light, then there was a cloud of smoke from the tires(I never squealed the tires so much on that car before) Then once the cloud settled there was no more mini there. I was up to 100 K in a lot less time I had ever done. All thanks to a friends advice. Now imagine I throw all that power on the wheels again, but this time just barely squealing the tires, and the same beetle turbo is on my side again, this time I showed him how I should have done it the first time. And yes, it's not a drag racer, but at least I proved that you can beat a beetle sport after all. I will be doing lap time testing on a track with all my beetle owning friends, including 2 friends who own turbo S. Hopefully things will be a lot different now. Stay tuned for future posts on this matter, for the time being, I will be throwing that piece of paper out that said my mini was not a drag racer.

 

I dunno pal, I raced all both those cars from the line, an Audi tt with the 180hp, and a VR6 gti and won all of them so ...it might be how you are shifting....try practicing shiftin from 2nd to thrid in the fastest way possible.

 

Well.... VR6gti is a very very fast car, I can't see the S beating it.. it has amazing "PEP" especially in the high gears. That has to be the human factor if you beat that thing.. and as far as a TT, No way...

The S can beat several other cars tho, like a Chevy Malibu, a ford Focus, a Saturn (any), and even the old Geo's!

 

100kph = 62mph if that helps?

 

I think more than anything else, I think the gearing is what really affects the MCS performance from the get go. To me the S engine has enough punch.

But then again, people that buy MINIs to race drag other cars are buying the wrong car for the wrong reasons.

There are plenty of Camaros, Firebirds and Mustangs to give you that straight line rush.

The MINI is about twisties and canyon carving driving...not stoplight contests.

Let the overweight and soft handling VW's shine in this area.

 

>>Well.... VR6gti is a very very fast car, I can't see the S beating it.. it has amazing "PEP" especially in the high gears. That has to be the human factor if you beat that thing.. and as far as a TT, No way...
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>>The S can beat several other cars tho, like a Chevy Malibu, a ford Focus, a Saturn (any), and even the old Geo's!


I got more than 3 witnesses who saw me whoop the TT's butt. As for the VR6, they do take off better from the line...but the gearing in the mini allows u to catch up to them and if YOU can drive, you can beat them.

Peace

 

I got more than 3 witnesses who saw me whoop the TT's butt.

I hate to ask who was driving the TT...lol!

 

Everyone says the Mini was not built for dragracing, but the VW's are?

 

your faster than both of them, but all you have to do is get rid of the 17" wheels. If you dont get rid of the wheels, just rev up to 3,500RPM and take off DSC or ASC which ever you have and smoke em.

 

If all else fails try a baseball bat. I prefer the aluminum ones

 

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>>>>100 MPH not 100 KPH.
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>> No, actually chegamais is right...100kph is roughly the same as 60mph, and several magazines including Road and Track state that 0-60mph (or 0-100 kmh) times for the MCS and Beetle Turbo "S" are identical according to their tests.

Here, let me get that issue (R&T Jan 03)...

OK, I found it...

Here's the stats...
CPTT MCS NBTS
0-60 7.2 7.7 7.6
0-100 20.9 20.7 21.8

So here you can see that the MCS kicks everyones butt from 0-100!!! passing both cars up somewhere between 60 and 100 MPH.

So for 100KPH (~62MPH) the MCS is the slowest.
However to 100MPH (~162KPH) the MCS beats them all.

So That is why I asked 100 MPH or 100 KPH. Different results for each...

 

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>>OK, I found it...
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>>Here's the stats...
>> CPTT MCS NBTS
>>0-60 7.2 7.7 7.6
>>0-100 20.9 20.7 21.8
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>>So here you can see that the MCS kicks everyones butt from 0-100!!! passing both cars up somewhere between 60 and 100 MPH.

I wholeheartedly agree and here's why. I took a challenge from a 2000/2001 VW GTIs. He was useless on the tight but long on ramp to the highway. If I had the ***** or lack of sanity I could have easily taken him on the single lane on ramp curve.....but I'm not a total idiot. Once we hit the straight he was really smokin'. He pulled away from me readily. That 6 cylinder VW engine can really pull. But as I got to the redline in 2nd I was gaining. By the time I slammed 3rd gear I could tell I would smoke him. In a heart-beatl I blew by him at 110 mph he had nothing left. It was so sweet. I even slowed down and let him pass me up the hwy a bit and gave him a big thumbs up for the great race.
Anyone been challenged yet by old dudes in the big Cadillac STS's? For some reason I've had two of these ride my tail and then surge ahead and come even, surge ahead, etc. Don't know if they want to race or they are so old they have the shakes!

 

VW.... come on!! It has to be the driver!! maybe your good and he is better...
I have no problems... Trac control off, remove the air filter, POWER SHIFT ( keep the pedal to the foor when shifting..) at 6600 RPM... and walk the dog on the sucker!! 2nd gear is a good long squeel as the tires try to grip, 3rd will be an good solid chirp.... and then there will be a Whinning type noise that will slowley go away as you increase the lead!! LOL!!

Even though a lot of owners like to baby their baby!! Drive it like you stole it and walk the compitition!!

Just me............................

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