R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 Stock MCS vs. tuned VR6 GTI

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:10 AM
  #1  
Riddler's Avatar
Riddler
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
Stock MCS vs. tuned VR6 GTI

So I have this friend who has been a GTI enthusiast for about half his life, and we finally got a chance to drive my MINI through some twisty canyon roads outside of Denver (Golden Gate Canyon to Netherland and back through Coal Creek Canyon, for all the Denverites).

Halfway up the canyon, I gave him the keys, and we all know what happens next: The perma-grin set in.

At first, coming from the GTI and all, Mike was still a bit hesitant approaching and accelerating out of turns, and I had to keep yeling at him to stop pressing the brake, and pressing the other pedal - the really fun one on the very right - instead.

Needless to say, my little MCS left quite an impression on him, and guess where he's heading today? I just hope they treat him fair for his trade-in – its a nice GTI.


®
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:28 AM
  #2  
Partsman's Avatar
Partsman
Legion_of_Doom
iTrader: (8)
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,989
Likes: 1
From: Westerly, RI
That's the power of the Dark Side.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:32 AM
  #3  
haulinS's Avatar
haulinS
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 294
Likes: 0
From: Lafayette, CA
Nice story. The truth shall set you free...........
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:36 AM
  #4  
sndwave's Avatar
sndwave
Coordinator :: Gulf Coast & Panhandle MINIs
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,662
Likes: 0
From: In the Tube
Funny how a small thing can change your entire outlook on driving.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:43 AM
  #5  
Riddler's Avatar
Riddler
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
It really just shows how handling surpasses raw power any day when it comes to pure driving excitement.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:43 AM
  #6  
anteken's Avatar
anteken
4th Gear
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 393
Likes: 0
From: Western NC Mountains
A GTI VR6....certainly the Mini S is a more fun auto to drive...just don't try an R32....think Mini S on steroids.....unreal car....of course I own both
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:50 AM
  #7  
Squirlz's Avatar
Squirlz
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 3
From: Okemos, Michigan
Sparky and The Lime always play nice together when I visit my girlfriend.


 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:50 AM
  #8  
Riddler's Avatar
Riddler
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
Is that the AWD? Pictures?

®
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:53 AM
  #9  
Yucca Patrol's Avatar
Yucca Patrol
Coordinator :: Alabama Motoring Society & South East
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 10,170
Likes: 2
From: Burning-Ham Alabama
No, that is not the AWD. . . Looks like a 2001/2002 Rave Green GTI. I had the same one but with the 1.8 turbo engine.

By the time I was done with it, my GTI was WAY faster than my pullied and chipped MCS, but it would have been left FAR behind in the twisties!
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:07 AM
  #10  
Riddler's Avatar
Riddler
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
Yucca,

It get's confusing here sometimes.

I was referring to Anteken's post. I'd like to see pictures of the R32.

®
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:34 AM
  #11  
Squirlz's Avatar
Squirlz
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 3
From: Okemos, Michigan
The girlfriend told me it was called Cosmic Green

Its other name is Marvin (the Martian) These two cars get some attention sitting out there by a rural road where most of the traffic is pickup trucks and tractors.
 

Last edited by Squirlz; Aug 5, 2005 at 10:37 AM. Reason: cuz
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:36 AM
  #12  
Yucca Patrol's Avatar
Yucca Patrol
Coordinator :: Alabama Motoring Society & South East
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 10,170
Likes: 2
From: Burning-Ham Alabama
I could also be wrong since I did stop following VW trends once I got my MINI. . . . but I think that rave green was discontinued after 2002.

There was also a very similar color called Cosmic green made before Rave Green. . .

yes, it does get confusing when we are all posting at the same time without knowing what others are posting!
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:38 AM
  #13  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
The R32 is pretty strong, the only reason I passed on that was it was changing the bodystyle and I can't wait to see the new generation R series.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 12:04 PM
  #14  
francisk's Avatar
francisk
6th Gear
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,384
Likes: 0
From: Madison, WI
Originally Posted by YuccaPatrol
. . . but I think that rave green was discontinued after 2002.

There was also a very similar color called Cosmic green made before Rave Green. . .
VW first introduce Cosmic Green, and then discontinue in 2002 and replace it with Rave Green. (Which has a gray tone in it).
At the same period in 2002, they also discontinue Tropic Orange... which is one of my favor color in GTI.

I own Mk II, III, IV GTI / Golf. There is only Mk II GTI (modded) can give me same level of driving pleasure to my MCS. I still think the newers is way too heavy!! May be that is the trend for all VAG product.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 04:27 PM
  #15  
JCW Driver's Avatar
JCW Driver
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,243
Likes: 0
From: Portland, Oregon
I LOVe the R32, but it's near 900 pounds heavier. There's a reason it will get dusted in the twisties.

Inertia.

That said, I still like it, in that beautiful electric blue color. The seats are brilliant too.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 04:44 PM
  #16  
camelpilot's Avatar
camelpilot
Banned
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 1
From: City of Angels, Cali
Yeah, with 900 pounds heavier, it's 80hp advantage isnt really that advantageous.

It has the potential to be much faster. Now a turbo or S/C R32, now thats what I'm talking about. Sweet car.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:04 PM
  #17  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
I disagree, R32 is all wheel drive, it will keep up with a Mini on any twistie, maybe will do better.

Originally Posted by camelpilot
Yeah, with 900 pounds heavier, it's 80hp advantage isnt really that advantageous.

It has the potential to be much faster. Now a turbo or S/C R32, now thats what I'm talking about. Sweet car.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 05:07 PM
  #18  
J0kER's Avatar
J0kER
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,546
Likes: 0
From: EastSide .: =0)
is it still available?

i was told that it was no longer available...but then again 3yrs ago before i ordered my mini i ran across an article tittled "fast cars that will never see the states" R32 one of them,so i thought well a mini S is just as nice but as we all know here they are...(r32's) been a Vw fan since early bug's. so been lookin' for a used one lately and they are very hard to find.


Originally Posted by JCW Driver
I LOVe the R32, but it's near 900 pounds heavier. There's a reason it will get dusted in the twisties.

Inertia.

That said, I still like it, in that beautiful electric blue color. The seats are brilliant too.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 06:25 PM
  #19  
kenchan's Avatar
kenchan
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 31,439
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by ariercetinberk
I disagree, R32 is all wheel drive, it will keep up with a Mini on any twistie, maybe will do better.
AWD is not all that great unless it's an Evo8.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 06:29 PM
  #20  
dave's Avatar
dave
pug poo picker-upper
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,803
Likes: 30
From: California
Originally Posted by YuccaPatrol
By the time I was done with it, my GTI was WAY faster than my pullied and chipped MCS, but it would have been left FAR behind in the twisties!
I'm thinking back to the first time I met you Yucca. :smile: I miss drives like that in Colorado. Thanks for the great day showing me the areas around Ft. Collins way back when.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:21 PM
  #21  
ahamos's Avatar
ahamos
Coordinator :: River City Minis
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 649
Likes: 0
From: Richmond, VA
Originally Posted by ariercetinberk
I disagree, R32 is all wheel drive, it will keep up with a Mini on any twistie, maybe will do better.
Pish posh. The R32 has a .87 lateral G rating. My G-Force indicator has moved past 0.95 without me losing traction.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:28 PM
  #22  
Yucca Patrol's Avatar
Yucca Patrol
Coordinator :: Alabama Motoring Society & South East
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 10,170
Likes: 2
From: Burning-Ham Alabama
Originally Posted by DiD
I'm thinking back to the first time I met you Yucca. :smile: I miss drives like that in Colorado. Thanks for the great day showing me the areas around Ft. Collins way back when.
That was a really fun day, Dave! It was my first chance to see a MINI in action on a twisty road. . . :smile:

That day certainly made me know that I made the right choice to sell my fire breathing GTI and get the MINI.

I bet you have a photo from that day somewhere. . . ????
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:34 PM
  #23  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
think about all those upgrades listed on your Mini put on an R32. I love my MCS, but you can't make me believe that. After having an R32 for a weekend, I know what that car is capable of.

Originally Posted by ahamos
Pish posh. The R32 has a .87 lateral G rating. My G-Force indicator has moved past 0.95 without me losing traction.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:35 PM
  #24  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
wrong, all wheel drive has nothing to do with power

Originally Posted by kenchan
AWD is not all that great unless it's an Evo8.
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2005 | 07:44 PM
  #25  
kenchan's Avatar
kenchan
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 31,439
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by ariercetinberk
wrong, all wheel drive has nothing to do with power
who said anything about power?
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:46 PM.