R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 My 06 S Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 30, 2023 | 11:07 AM
  #1  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
My 06 S Thread

Introducing my new to me 06 S. I’m sure I’m going to have a lot of questions and appreciate any help I can get when needed. List of mod it came with below.





Currents mods:
  • new axles
  • new wheel bearings/brakes
  • valve cover fixed
  • custom exhaust
  • apple car play/android auto head unit
  • JCW carbon fiber shifter and e-brake handle
  • new wideband AFR gauge
  • auto meter phantom boost gauge
  • throttle response controller in the cabin
  • Bilstein struts/shocks with lowering springs
  • adjustable rear control arms
  • Dinan performance intake (w/two new filters)
  • Alta 15% supercharger pulley
  • Performance software tune
  • MSD coil pack/step colder spark plugs
  • 2 sets of wheels with tires
 
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 09:16 AM
  #2  
Onizukachan's Avatar
Onizukachan
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 571
Likes: 369
From: El Paso TX
The first thing I’d suggest you do is get a stock coil pack and get rid of the MSD one.
They don’t do anything new compared to OEM except fail a lot.

otherwise great looking car, happy for you!
 
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 01:24 PM
  #3  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by Onizukachan
The first thing I’d suggest you do is get a stock coil pack and get rid of the MSD one.
They don’t do anything new compared to OEM except fail a lot.

otherwise great looking car, happy for you!
Didn’t know that! Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 01:45 PM
  #4  
Daftlad's Avatar
Daftlad
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 490
Likes: 207
From: Under the car. As per normal.
get rid of the MSD one. They don’t do anything new compared to OEM except fail a lot.
 
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2023 | 03:24 PM
  #5  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
I still have the plastic radiator overflow tank. Any suggestion on an aluminum one?

I also need to raise the rear suspension. Currently on lowered Bilstein springs with Bilstein struts. Any recommendations for stock heights springs?

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2023 | 09:35 PM
  #6  
Onizukachan's Avatar
Onizukachan
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 571
Likes: 369
From: El Paso TX
I’m different than most on that. Bmws had plastic expansion tanks as a safety mechanism, like a fuse. Better the easily replaceable tank blown than something more serious like a head gasket due to over pressure. And I’ve dealt with them blowing out before due to age as well.


I don’t plan on changing either of ours to metal unless the plastics get ridiculously priced or supply dries up. But it isn’t a bad idea to swap them every few years once they get opaque and the plastic starts changing, because then you are getting to where they no longer have original strength.


I reserve the right to change my mind if I find one that’s bolt in and uses a factory cap and doesn’t look garish.
 
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2023 | 11:23 PM
  #7  
deepgrey's Avatar
deepgrey
6th Gear
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,314
Likes: 484
From: Atlanta, GA
Meh. I’ve never bought that argument. It’s just a poorly designed part made out of a cheap material that fails with age. The radiator cap is the safety.
 
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 05:38 AM
  #8  
Daftlad's Avatar
Daftlad
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 490
Likes: 207
From: Under the car. As per normal.
I still have the plastic radiator overflow tank. Any suggestion on an aluminum one?
Industry standard seems to be Canton or Forge. They're not cheap at $200-300.
https://www.outmotoring.com/_search....categoryid=261
If that's out of the budget would go high quality OEM/OE quality plastic from one of the vendors. Note they're not 'lifetime replacement' eligible on most sites which is telling.
I’m different than most on that. Bmws had plastic expansion tanks as a safety mechanism, like a fuse.
Meh. I’ve never bought that argument. It’s just a poorly designed part made out of a cheap material that fails with age. The radiator cap is the safety.
Can see both sides of this discussion. Mine turned brown and failed, seeping along the middle seam (where they all fail). Only outward indication was the radiator fan cycling to high speed at idle, AC not on, cool day even after shut off (although it also needed a new fan resistor, like all these cars do) and the smell of hot coolant coming from...somewhere; no puddle under the car. Dash gauge indicated high normal but not (yet) above the tick mark. But once I looked under the hood it was obvious. Got lucky that day; a lot of tank failures aren't so 'graceful.'

Lesson learned: when the tank turns brown, don't leave town, replace it today!

Personally I went with a used aluminum tank (bought from another NAM member) and a new cap. No issues with the tank so far but the cap eventually did fail after I took it off one too many times to check the level and it fell apart in my hand. URO brand for the record. Replaced it with a Febi and have an OEM / Gen MINI waiting in the glove box 'just in case' (next time).

The problem with these cars is they already run hot by design, as in well above boiling temperatures at sea level (because 'muh efficiency and emissions'). As long as the system stays pressurized, you're good to go. But if it doesn't...

I also need to raise the rear suspension. Currently on lowered Bilstein springs with Bilstein struts. Any recommendations for stock heights springs?
Have not installed them on this car yet but Bilstein B4 struts are stock height/ride and have a very good reputation for quality. Would go with those and an OEM quality stock spring replacement.
 

Last edited by Daftlad; Oct 7, 2023 at 06:14 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 07:00 AM
  #9  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by Daftlad
Can see both sides of this discussion. Mine turned brown and failed, seeping along the middle seam (where they all fail). Only outward indication was the radiator fan cycling to high speed at idle, AC not on, cool day even after shut off (although it also needed a new fan resistor, like all these cars do) and the smell of hot coolant coming from...somewhere; no puddle under the car. Dash gauge indicated high normal but not (yet) above the tick mark. But once I looked under the hood it was obvious.
My current symptoms exactly.

Originally Posted by Daftlad
Have not installed them on this car yet but Bilstein B4 struts are stock height/ride and have a very good reputation for quality. Would go with those and an OEM quality stock spring replacement.
I was hoping I could just replace the spring to get the height back? Do I need to replace the struts too?

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 07:11 AM
  #10  
Daftlad's Avatar
Daftlad
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 490
Likes: 207
From: Under the car. As per normal.
I was hoping I could just replace the spring to get the height back? Do I need to replace the struts too?
Depending on what they are, maybe. Would ask the vendors. Generally struts and shocks are matched by design to the springs they serve for optimal ride quality, handling etc. If the previous owner replaced just the springs and kept the stock struts & shocks, then they could be fine with stock springs as long as they're not leaking, too crusty, or fail the bounce test.
 

Last edited by Daftlad; Oct 7, 2023 at 07:19 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 08:55 AM
  #11  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by Daftlad
Depending on what they are, maybe. Would ask the vendors. Generally struts and shocks are matched by design to the springs they serve for optimal ride quality, handling etc. If the previous owner replaced just the springs and kept the stock struts & shocks, then they could be fine with stock springs as long as they're not leaking, too crusty, or fail the bounce test.
Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 08:59 AM
  #12  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Anyone knows which Bilstein struts and springs these are?



 
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2023 | 10:36 PM
  #13  
ghostwrench's Avatar
ghostwrench
4th Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 455
Likes: 251
From: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted by kimimini
Anyone knows which Bilstein struts and springs these are?


Looks like B6 or B8 to me.

Also, more pics! I want to see how your gauges (boost and AFR) are mounted.
 
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2023 | 09:27 AM
  #14  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by ghostwrench
Looks like B6 or B8 to me.
Thanks! I Will contact Bilstein to see I the spring can be swap for standard height.

Originally Posted by ghostwrench
Also, more pics! I want to see how your gauges (boost and AFR) are mounted.
I don’t know what parts was used, hope the picture helps.





 
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2023 | 10:58 AM
  #15  
MCS4FUN's Avatar
MCS4FUN
6th Gear
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 577
From: "The Other Arizona"
Originally Posted by kimimini
Anyone knows which Bilstein struts and springs these are?


Unsure what springs those are but the circa 2006 Bilstein springs I removed were black. Whatever those are would concern me with apparent near coil binding going on at full suspension droop. Seems to me can't be much compression/rebound travel when on the ground. For comparison, below is the same RR corner with my Koni Yellows in comb with OEM JCW "reds" when I installed those:


 
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2023 | 07:12 AM
  #16  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by MCS4FUN
Unsure what springs those are but the circa 2006 Bilstein springs I removed were black. Whatever those are would concern me with apparent near coil binding going on at full suspension droop. Seems to me can't be much compression/rebound travel when on the ground. For comparison, below is the same RR corner with my Koni Yellows in comb with OEM JCW "reds" when I installed those:

Thanks! I’m leaning toward replacing the struts and springs on all corners. Although It handles sharply, the ride is too harsh for my liking, plus it hits hard on every potholes and road imperfection. How do you like your setup. What would you recommend?
 
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2023 | 07:18 AM
  #17  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
As stated above, I am thinking about replacing my struts and springs. Any advice, suggestion for purely street performance? The current setup I have is extreme sharp but rough. Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2023 | 07:59 AM
  #18  
Daftlad's Avatar
Daftlad
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 490
Likes: 207
From: Under the car. As per normal.
Originally Posted by kimimini
As stated above, I am thinking about replacing my struts and springs. Any advice, suggestion for purely street performance? The current setup I have is extreme sharp but rough. Thanks!
In my book that's a stock setup; factory grade springs struts & shocks, after replacing other worn components like ball joints, bushings, tie rods etc. Could also try higher profile (more balloon-y) tires; it's been done. Not sure how the adjustable sway bar on this car will play with a stock setup (also suspect the end links may be non-stock / specific to the sway bar); others will weigh in but might be good to retain it for some level of handling tuneability...
 

Last edited by Daftlad; Oct 9, 2023 at 08:06 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2023 | 08:18 AM
  #19  
MCS4FUN's Avatar
MCS4FUN
6th Gear
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 577
From: "The Other Arizona"
^^^ My R53 was originally set up for tracking by the original owner but not subsequently used for that (or essentially driven at all until I bought it). My objectives were to tame the suspension and other track-oriented aspects strictly for local streets and highways and I ultimately achieved all that. Mine has 100% poly bushings which add ride harshness, heavier front & rear sway bars plus combo of Koni Yellows and the former Bilstein springs.

The poly bushings and sway bars remain installed but I ditched the -1 profile 205/40R17 DOT track tires and replaced those with +1 profile 215/45R17 tires in combo with those JCW Sport "reds" springs (originally a dealer installed kit or standard on 2006 GP) claimed to have just 10mm drop vs OEM S-spec. In the end, I achieved much improved ride and restored ground clearance, which is necessary driving around my town. The JCW Sport spring P/Ns below were available in limited quantities in BMW Germany warehouse locations when I bought mine 2 years ago. Not the most economical option but well matched to the Koni Yellows. I'm delighted with the results.

JOHN COOPER WORKS SPORT SUSPENSION



 
Reply
Old Oct 10, 2023 | 12:31 PM
  #20  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Originally Posted by MCS4FUN
^^^ My R53 was originally set up for tracking by the original owner but not subsequently used for that (or essentially driven at all until I bought it). My objectives were to tame the suspension and other track-oriented aspects strictly for local streets and highways and I ultimately achieved all that. Mine has 100% poly bushings which add ride harshness, heavier front & rear sway bars plus combo of Koni Yellows and the former Bilstein springs.

The poly bushings and sway bars remain installed but I ditched the -1 profile 205/40R17 DOT track tires and replaced those with +1 profile 215/45R17 tires in combo with those JCW Sport "reds" springs (originally a dealer installed kit or standard on 2006 GP) claimed to have just 10mm drop vs OEM S-spec. In the end, I achieved much improved ride and restored ground clearance, which is necessary driving around my town. The JCW Sport spring P/Ns below were available in limited quantities in BMW Germany warehouse locations when I bought mine 2 years ago. Not the most economical option but well matched to the Koni Yellows. I'm delighted with the results.

JOHN COOPER WORKS SPORT SUSPENSION

Thanks, much appreciated!
 
Reply
Old Oct 10, 2023 | 12:32 PM
  #21  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
For struts I have it boiled down to 2 options:

1- koni yellow or
2- koni red special active

For springs: JCW springs. Any other springs worth considering if I can’t find the JCW.

Anyone have personal experience with the koni red special active on their r53?

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 10, 2023 | 01:31 PM
  #22  
MCS4FUN's Avatar
MCS4FUN
6th Gear
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 577
From: "The Other Arizona"
Koni Yellow are generally considered best suited for lowering springs, however the JCW 10mm lowering works fine on mine. Likely as well with Koni Reds too. If you go the JCW "reds" route, either use your preferred online genuine MINI parts dealer with direct dialog before placing an order, since those springs weren't then in stock in BMW USA warehouse locations. Alternatively, add all your items to cart on @ECS Tuning 's site, then either call them or do a live chat session. From that, appears rears are local stock which surprises me. I just now completed an online chat session with "Andy P" who was very helpful in overriding a very high default Milltek shipping quote vs $49+ achieves free shipping which Andy provided on my eligible total. You might ask and get a better deal for combo of shocks and springs if all ordered at one time.

When I ordered my springs 2 years ago, those 2 P/Ns were the only ones remaining from 3 P/N choices front and rear as determined by as-built VIN weight. Mine being very lightly optioned, those available springs were optimal.

Prices have gone up on everything - OEM BMW MINI parts no exception. Others will likely follow suggesting more economical options to consider.


 
Reply
Old Oct 10, 2023 | 06:42 PM
  #23  
jcolletteiii's Avatar
jcolletteiii
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,352
Likes: 486
From: ND, USA
Koni FSD's (reds) are super smooth, but also responsive and sporty. I have them with the stock springs on my r53 and the car handles better than my abilities will ever test. For tires, I went with an all-season performance 205 50 17's - and highly recommend them if you're looking to tame some harshness. As an added benefit, they fill up the wheel wells just that little bit more, and IMO, that makes the car look even better.
 
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 09:15 AM
  #24  
kimimini's Avatar
kimimini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Likes: 29
From: MA
Thank you all for your help! Looking at all my options, what about coilovers? I don’t do track but still would like the option provided I can still daily drive it comfortably. Price wise if I go with struts and springs, I am not too far from let’s say a BCRacing DS coilover set.

Any reason not to? Any recommendations? Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Oct 17, 2023 | 07:18 AM
  #25  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
I am here and can help with special parts. Just have to PM me with Vin. Springs are Vin specific on those.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:18 AM.