R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 Starter won't turn

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 16, 2023 | 05:50 PM
  #1  
Marxmini's Avatar
Marxmini
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 14
Likes: 1
Starter won't turn

Aloha all, I've got a 2006 R50 that I just did a head gasket on. It had been siting out in the elements for about 2 years prior to this being done. After putting the car all back together charging the battery and getting all the fluids back in the car, I tried to start it and nothing. No sound at all.

I was going to just replace the starter and then found a video on how to remove the starter relay, jump the lines with a wire and that should tell you if the starter works or not. Well, I tried it today and in doing so, I got a hum at the starter but no crank. I tried putting the relay back in and key starting again and this time no hum.

Removing the starter is going to be a nightmare as the exhaust manifold needs to be removed from below and the flange bolts are rusted tight. I'm really hoping wiser minds might have some other thoughts before I spend the next year of my life trying to get the damn thing off.

Thanks,

Mark
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2023 | 04:07 AM
  #2  
Daftlad's Avatar
Daftlad
4th Gear
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 490
Likes: 207
From: Under the car. As per normal.
The old school remedy was to love-tap the starter body with a hammer which ~sometimes~ worked in a pinch. Just enough to dislodge whatever is sticking inside, assuming it isnt outright seized. Would try that next to get the car moving but after sitting for two years expect to replace it regardless.


 

Last edited by Daftlad; Jul 17, 2023 at 07:20 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2023 | 09:43 PM
  #3  
Fradow's Avatar
Fradow
3rd Gear
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 167
Likes: 70
Originally Posted by Marxmini
Removing the starter is going to be a nightmare as the exhaust manifold needs to be removed from below and the flange bolts are rusted tight. I'm really hoping wiser minds might have some other thoughts before I spend the next year of my life trying to get the damn thing off.
The exhaust manifold does NOT need to be removed to remove the starter. That's an instance where you can "cheat the book" (note: first-hand experience, I've done that operation).

Disconnect the coolant and PS reservoirs (just the nuts, not actually emptying them) to give yourself some room, wiggle the starter heat shield away to get access to the starter, and you can remove the starter with some wobble extensions. I highly recommend an electric wrench, because there is very limited room to wrench, and the starter bolts are super long and have resistance all the way, so you won't be able to finish by hand. Then you can wiggle the starter out. It does come out, there is just barely enough clearance.

Once it's out, you can apply 12V directly to the solenoid and see if the starter spins (and if gears aren't too worn out). If it does, while you're in there add a bit of grease before re-assembly and move on to the next diagnosis step. It might be worth having it tested with a proper starter testing machine (which tests a bit more than just that) if you have a parts store nearby that does that as a service.

Though before you do any of that, I'd get the battery properly tested. Just because you charged it and it does have 12V at the leads does not mean it's good enough. And old battery will exhibit those property but won't have enough cranking amps to start the car.
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2023 | 11:36 PM
  #4  
RB-MINI's Avatar
RB-MINI
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,424
Likes: 516
A really quick thing to check is to make sure the ground connections are clean and tight on the passenger frame rail and motor mount bracket. That seems to have caught a lot of people out over the years.
 
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2023 | 09:02 AM
  #5  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,737
Likes: 2,540
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Ground connections, also i have seen locked up A/C compressor pumps make the engine very hard to turn. Make sure the a/c clutch spins freely.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2023 | 10:34 AM
  #6  
Boostmaster's Avatar
Boostmaster
4th Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 541
Likes: 250
From: In the garage
The passenger side ground! I had the same thing happen. I tried a couple of starters and finally broke down and checked the ground. It was tight and good but I removed it, cleaned it and re-tightened it and everything worked perfectly! (I have no idea why, I had not touched it before)
 
Reply
Old Jul 19, 2023 | 01:32 PM
  #7  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,737
Likes: 2,540
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Yep that also : https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...tightened.html

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...harging-431072

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-just-fyi.html



 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
meyerside
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
20
Jan 7, 2020 03:56 PM
pimpedout97x
Stock Problems/Issues
14
Jun 18, 2011 07:18 PM
mhay
Stock Problems/Issues
2
Dec 6, 2009 01:12 PM
miniroll
Classic Mini Talk
1
Aug 17, 2008 09:23 AM
shldonator
Stock Problems/Issues
1
Jul 13, 2008 03:24 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:48 PM.