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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 10:51 AM
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speeding ticket and no front plate

i was driving on this long country road a little bit ago. i saw a cop on the side a ways ahead and my radar started to beep. i didnt think much of it because i didnt think i was going too fast (probably going 55). well he starts driving behind me and turns on his lights. he pulled me over to say that i needed to mount my plate on the front (right on the aero kit). he saw my radar and got pissed at me for it and then decided it looked likei was going fast too. he ask me how fast i was going and i was honest, hoping he would let me go. i said no more than 60. he ended up giving me a ticket for going 60 in a 45. it really sucks. he didnt even get a chance to clock me.. he just went by what i said. i have to goto court and everything. EVEN DRIVING SCHOOL.... im on my way now to goto work. i need to make some extra money for this ticket and driving school.

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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 11:04 AM
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NEVER volunteer information to a police officer. You have the right to remain silent.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 11:04 AM
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tickets

I know what you mean

I have probably more tickets in my MCS than anyone else on this board.

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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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Brian,


Having a radar detector is no excuse for not being aware of your surroundings. If you were in a 45 mph zone, and your detector starts to warn you of police presence, you must immediately slow down to within the legal limit.

As to your admission, well just remember, 'Ain't no fish ever got caught that kept its mouth shut."


Life Lesson # 132
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian
i was driving on this long country road a little bit ago. i saw a cop on the side a ways ahead and my radar started to beep. i didnt think much of it because i didnt think i was going too fast (probably going 55). well he starts driving behind me and turns on his lights. he pulled me over to say that i needed to mount my plate on the front (right on the aero kit). he saw my radar and got pissed at me for it and then decided it looked likei was going fast too. he ask me how fast i was going and i was honest, hoping he would let me go. i said no more than 60. he ended up giving me a ticket for going 60 in a 45. it really sucks. he didnt even get a chance to clock me.. he just went by what i said. i have to goto court and everything. EVEN DRIVING SCHOOL.... im on my way now to goto work. i need to make some extra money for this ticket and driving school.

thanks for reading..
A cop can give you a ticket for going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit if he wants to ..

I was once pulled over in my benz, and the cop walked around to the front of my car to look at my plate (it is mounted). But I had a plastic cover over my rear plate. The cop only ended up verbally warning me that the cover was illegal in CT, and I better remove it as soon as I got to work-- and let me on my merry way. I see many cars with the cover over their plate... I don't know why the cop decided to pull me over, and how could he even see it... In some areas I could see the cop thinking "young kid in nice expensive car" But this was in New Canaan so kids getting their licenses are driving daddy's old BMW and Benz anyways....

Point is-- the cop may not have given you a ticket if you didn't volunteer the information that you were speeding.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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I've been dying' to modify my front plate but I'm worried that if I ever did get stopped, it'd just **** the officer off enough to have them throw the book at me. Don't need that.......
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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Al Gore Caught Speeding

Brian,
Your not the only to get a speeding ticket lately. Just read this on Reuters.
Charles

Al Gore Caught Speeding, Pays Ticket

PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) Fri Sep 3, 2004 02:00 PM ET
Former Vice President Al Gore paid a $141 fine for speeding on a highway last month near Oregon's coast, a state police official said on Friday.

Gore, who carried Oregon in the 2000 presidential election, was driving in a rented car to visit family when he was issued a speeding ticket for going 75 miles (120 kph) per hour in a 55 mph (88 kph) zone on a highway between Portland and the Oregon coast, a popular summer destination.

"He was cooperative, polite and respectful," said Dale Rutledge, spokesman for the Oregon State Police.

Gore mailed in his check for the ticket, well ahead of the deadline for contesting it on Sept. 13, Rutledge said.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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sorry bout the ticket

I hate that you got culled from the herd. I get cited occasionally and it makes me mad every time since it is more about revenue than about protecting the public. Here in Ohio, we have that stupid front plate too. There is a grassroots movement to get rid of it but it is being stalled by the highway patrol. Ya see, they use the front plate to shoot their laser radar and worry that the state funds may dry up if they have to aim at the headlights etc. Go to court, plead it and you may get it reduced. My suggestion would be to keep within 8,9 ticks of the speed limit. In ohio, there is some tolerance for that.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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I refuse to mount the front plate. I'll take my chances. Fortunately, I am an attorney and have a good rapport with the local constabulary (for now, anyway). As others have said, you must observe and react, rather than merely rely on your detector. I have radar/lasar detection and lasar scrambling, but I still keep my head up for traps. Why would you volunteer any incriminating information? Also, keep in mind that if you say X, the officer will assume X+ is the truth.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PMC
Why would you volunteer any incriminating information?
this was my first time ever getting pulled over... if i knew that i didnt have to say anything, things may have been different.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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License Plate, gee Officer Obie, it fell off. I remember my grandpa telling me they used to make them out of great steel. That was when those convicts pressed them out at the state pen. Now, though, I think they are made by some big corporation who got a government contract and uses recycled Bud cans. Can you believe it? And this MINI isn't even that old that the plate should fall off.

I feel your pain Officer, but I'm just the messenger. Why not give the ticket to DMV for contracting with such a suck-a&& corporation to begin with?

Try that tact next time...
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 06:50 PM
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Here's a story to make you feel better (perhaps)

I know a kid who was unwisely doing 55 (or thereabouts) in a 25. A cop pulled out behind him, but didn't turn on his lights. Figuring, however, that he'd been caught -- and well aware that he was well above the posted speed limit -- he pulled over and put on his flashers. The cop pulled in behind him, walked up to the car and asked, in typical police fashion; "What seems to be the problem?" The guy tells the cop -- I was speeding. The cop asked how fast and the guy told him. What exactly happened after that point, I'm not completely certain. But it was discovered that the cop had had no intentions of pulling this guy over for speeding -- he just saw him put his flashers on and decided to see if everything was alright. When the guy admitted his guilt, however, his mind was changed. And off the guy went to traffic school and volunteer time in a local emergency room -- all for pulling himself over.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 07:04 PM
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I've recently received 3 tickets for no front plate. I am getting ready to mount the plate. What really sucks it that on two occasions when I got ticketed twice in three days by the meter maid there were other cars nearby with no front plate on no tickets. One truck I noticed with on plate and no ticket actually had the plate displayed on his dash board. So the next day when I parked i put the plate on the dash board and got a ticket for 'Improper display of front plate.'

Needless to say I'm a little bitter for being singled out. I will mount the stupid plate though.

So I can be in compliance. I want to be in compliance.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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My wife was driving her Miata with a front plate mod that folds it up into the mouth area out of sight over 25mph. When she got pulled over for "no front plate" in NJ she told the officer she has one (it had come back down when she stopped). He looked up front and saw it, came back and then said, OK, you were speeding (which she was)... and gave her a ticket. Sometimes they just want to write a ticket no matter what. The speeding ticket cost more!!!

>As to your admission, well just remember, 'Ain't no fish ever got caught that kept its mouth shut.

Dude, that is the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time!!! Good one!
 
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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Ain't no fish ever got caught that kept its mouth shut.
As a kid, I once caught a fish with a hook in its side by jerking the line/reeling in very fast. :smile:
 
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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I've reeled in many a second bigger fish latched onto a smaller fish that I got on the first strike
 
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sbgobig
One truck I noticed with on plate and no ticket actually had the plate displayed on his dash board. So the next day when I parked i put the plate on the dash board and got a ticket for 'Improper display of front plate.'
So is it cheaper to get a ticket for Improper display of front plate than no front plate?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 06:06 AM
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Just play dumb next time. A cop can pull you over
for going 1mph over the speed limit if his favorite donut was sold out that
morning...
 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 07:40 AM
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one of my favorite sagas of US vrs. the man, My friend Larry has an s class mercedes,very cool car.While traveling down interstate 95 in Rowley Mass. he went under an overpass only to discover a statie perched way up high in the bushes in the median UNDER the bridge .He looked down at his speedo and he was doing about 85 (65 posted) and noticed the lights come on behind him and the state cruiser booking out after him .This section of road immediately south of this overpass has a large rest area used occassionally as a truck weighing station,and my friend hooked the right into this rest area and came to rest in a line of cars and waited for the boom to lower.When the cruiser pulled up in back of him he noticed in his rear view mirror that the cop kept looking at his car and the one beside him.He turned to his right and there beside him was the mirror image double to his own car,same year,model,color,sunroof,EVERYTHING.The statie shook his head slowly and continued on out of the rest area .No way he could say which car had gone by him just moments before,Once in a lifetime!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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No front plate

I want one of those, the things that hides the front plate at speed! Cool!

This is a hard lesson to learn, it is best to never admit to anything after being pulled over. You are basically confessing without the the benefit of being told, "what you say can be used against you in a court of law." So best to comply with the officers request for your documents and give non-responsive answers to any questions.

I have never given an officer the clear answer, that he wants, to any of his questions. I was once pulled over because an officer "thought" I was going to fast. Despite the fact that I was behind another car, on a sweeping corner, he was going in the opposite direction, and he didn't have radar. He made a u-turn (illegal) and pulled me over. Needless to say we had a 25 minute "conversation" about what he thought and never did I admit to my true speed, you don't have to! He tried to bully and got very upset that I would not incriminate myself, so ended by giving me a fix-it for not having a front plate, which I never have on the front of the car, and not having my insurance card. Both of which was a hassle, but cost a lot less then the moving violation in terms of fines, insurance costs, and lost time.

If you are serious about driving, you should spend a little time reading about the traffic laws of your state, and some advice books on what to do when pulled over. You have some basic rights that you toss out the window once you start admitting to anything. Be a wise and educated driver and you will be a much happier driver. Knowing what your rights are and how to handle this kind of situation will go a long way towards making the driving experience a better one.

<stepping off of soapbox>

 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 08:58 AM
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[QUOTE=Brian]i was driving on this long country road a little bit ago. i saw a cop on the side a ways ahead and my radar started to beep.


Interesting thing I just found out. If you are alone on a road, the radar detector is kinda useless. If there are other cars, you are picking up the radar bouncing off them. If you are alone and the detector goes off, its too late, you've been busted.

Any truth to this?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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[QUOTE=kumquat78]
Originally Posted by Brian
i was driving on this long country road a little bit ago. i saw a cop on the side a ways ahead and my radar started to beep.


Interesting thing I just found out. If you are alone on a road, the radar detector is kinda useless. If there are other cars, you are picking up the radar bouncing off them. If you are alone and the detector goes off, its too late, you've been busted.

Any truth to this?
Ya I think so... I thought thats how radar detectors worked... they pick up the radar signal thats bounced off other cars into your detector... if you were the only one... unless its bouncing off other objects off the freeway...
 
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 09:43 AM
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It's best just to live with the front plate. Not having one just gives Johnny Law an excuse to pull you over, and once having you pulled over he can give you a good looking over. This is a well-known cop tactic. If you happen to have been out having a few drinks, well, you could be in for a world of hurt.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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hahaha. That's a great story.

One bad thing about having the same cars is when you're driving around
and an old grandma has the very same car in the same color, etc... this
happens to me often in my wife's 03 corolla ...




Originally Posted by holdenontoit
one of my favorite sagas of US vrs. the man, My friend Larry has an s class mercedes,very cool car.While traveling down interstate 95 in Rowley Mass. he went under an overpass only to discover a statie perched way up high in the bushes in the median UNDER the bridge .He looked down at his speedo and he was doing about 85 (65 posted) and noticed the lights come on behind him and the state cruiser booking out after him .This section of road immediately south of this overpass has a large rest area used occassionally as a truck weighing station,and my friend hooked the right into this rest area and came to rest in a line of cars and waited for the boom to lower.When the cruiser pulled up in back of him he noticed in his rear view mirror that the cop kept looking at his car and the one beside him.He turned to his right and there beside him was the mirror image double to his own car,same year,model,color,sunroof,EVERYTHING.The statie shook his head slowly and continued on out of the rest area .No way he could say which car had gone by him just moments before,Once in a lifetime!
 
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