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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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stock mcs clutch

how strong is the mcs clutch, i plan on making about 190whp , and well im about to change the the clutch and flywheel due to the dual mass issue, ive got a fidanza flywheel already but how strong are the stock clutch's

the reason i ask is i can get a stock clutch for about 175

and i can get an aftermarket clutch for about 350 for a stage1

so if you guys are able to put down good power on the stock i dont see any point in paying the extra, but if its going to cost reliablility and longevity then ofcourse the other one would be best


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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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Stock clutch is pretty strong. I believe I read years ago with the twincharged threads that the stock clutch was able to hold the power but you're better off upgrading. I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere here on NAM the stock clutch can hold up to about 240-250hp. If your goal is just 190hp then the stock clutch is fine.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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yeah its a daily driver for me so i dont want anything stupid for power or clutch wise. just reliablilty
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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Stocker is perfectly fine for your goals.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blkkouki
how strong is the mcs clutch, i plan on making about 190whp , and well im about to change the the clutch and flywheel due to the dual mass issue, ive got a fidanza flywheel already but how strong are the stock clutch's

the reason i ask is i can get a stock clutch for about 175

and i can get an aftermarket clutch for about 350 for a stage1

so if you guys are able to put down good power on the stock i dont see any point in paying the extra, but if its going to cost reliablility and longevity then ofcourse the other one would be best


thanks
chris
If you put the stock clutch (which is unsprung) with an unsprung flywheel your car is going to chatter like a maraca, its also going to make driving at low RPMs. So you are going to want to have at least one of those components sprung, and since you already have the flywheel it obiously makes more sense to pick up a sprung hub clutch.

I would check out the Clutchmaster stage 1, it has composition similar to that of the stock flywheel so it is inexpensive and easy to use, but it has more holding power than the stock piece making it good for what you want. It's also fairly inexpensive as well. Either call Jan at RMW (who sells them) or check out JSC speed who also has pretty good deals.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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as a total nube to that what is a sprung clutch/flywheel?

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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by blkkouki
as a total nube to that what is a sprung clutch/flywheel?

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My stock solid clutch disc.


My CM FX200 carbon/kevlar sprung clutch disc(from Clutch Masters website). See the 4 springs on the disc?


Jeremy
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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Good question blkkouki, Jeremy basically gave the most succinct version you can get. Basically the springs are there connecting the outside of the clutch disc to the hub of the disk, these springs are used to absorb drivetrain shock and make the car more driver friendly (and reduce gear chatter).

BMW (and MINI as a result) uses a sprung dual mass flywheel so by switching to the the Fidanza flywheel you are getting rid of the sprung part.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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awesome well i just got the clutch masters stage one for 296
 
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