R50/53 "proper" hand shifting position?
I'm just curious, as I become more and more comfortable with my manual tranny, if there are any specifically "cool" ways to grip the shift *** as you switch gears?
I noticed that when I was first learning the stick, I woulrd grip it rather clumsily, as if holding on for dear life, like so:
Anybody have any tips or ideas?
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I noticed that when I was first learning the stick, I woulrd grip it rather clumsily, as if holding on for dear life, like so:
Anybody have any tips or ideas?
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In Bondurants book on driving he recommends cradling the shift **** like an egg, in the palm of your hand. IIRC it gives you more force in the direction of the shift. I prefer round shift ***** as opposed to the "ergonomic" shapes.
With this cable-operated shifter, it may not be as important, but .... in the old days, when shift levers where actually connected to the gearbox, there was a real concern that if the box jumped out of gear, the lever could break a finger or two; If you hold the **** so that it can snap out of your hand without ijnjury, then you are doing it right - like they always say about steering wheels too: don't wrap your thumbs around it, and don't wrap your pinkey around the lever ...
OMG Katie!
I hope that's flare from the flash going off otherwise you are the whitest person in the world!
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I hope that's flare from the flash going off otherwise you are the whitest person in the world!
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Here's a link to a good article about shift grip.
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving...shifting.lasso
I'll quote the article too.

Shifting from the top of the box to the bottom, form an open cup with your hand, and place over the shift **** with the inside of your fingers and the palm of your hand making contact. Guide the lever quickly, but without strong-arming it. Push it, but don't slam it. The movement is primarily from the wrist. If you're locking your wrist around the shifter like a fighter-plane control stick, you will actually be slowing your shift down.

Shifting from the bottom of the box to the top, cup your hand over the shift ****, and using the heel of the palm, push the lever into the next position. This shift involves more arm motion than does a top to bottom shift, but again--no choke holds or body slams--the shifter is a precision machine, not a wrestling opponent.
http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving...shifting.lasso
I'll quote the article too.

Shifting from the top of the box to the bottom, form an open cup with your hand, and place over the shift **** with the inside of your fingers and the palm of your hand making contact. Guide the lever quickly, but without strong-arming it. Push it, but don't slam it. The movement is primarily from the wrist. If you're locking your wrist around the shifter like a fighter-plane control stick, you will actually be slowing your shift down.

Shifting from the bottom of the box to the top, cup your hand over the shift ****, and using the heel of the palm, push the lever into the next position. This shift involves more arm motion than does a top to bottom shift, but again--no choke holds or body slams--the shifter is a precision machine, not a wrestling opponent.
You may think shifting is a no-brainer function, but in a sport where the difference of winning may be 1/100th of a second, every detail counts. This discussion is to point out how to use the shifter, and we're assuming the use of a typical H-box shifter in a street car for this.
Many people fall into two bad habits on the street when shifting. First, "Hollywood" has taught everyone that it looks cool to always leave your right hand on the shift ****. Wrong! You may as well tie your hand behind your back as leave it on the shift ****. Your hand belongs on the steering wheel--always. When you need to shift--shift, and get your hand back on the wheel. Don't even rest it on the shifter for a few seconds a head of time to "get ready." Every time your hand leaves the steering wheel you've given up 50% of the tactile feedback you have from your hands, and 50% of your capability to control the car. If you're racing with other cars around you, you never know when you may get tapped. Even when racing alone, mechanical failure may cause handling trouble. You'll want both hands on the wheel when that happens.
The second bad habit some people have is shifting with excessive force. Too tight a grip, and slamming from one gear to another will actually slow your shifting down, and cause excessive mechanical wear. Proper shifting uses an open palm grip on the top of the shift ****, and a gentle but fast guide from one gear to another. We repeat---all shifting is properly done with the hand open and cupped over the top of the ****, not wrapped around it like a fighter plane control stick.
To shift from the top of the H to the bottom, start by forming a cup with your palm and fingers. Place the palm of the hand over the top of the shift ****. Using the underside of your fingers and your palm against the ****, use a smooth straight-line motion to guide the lever to the next gear. Assuming the shift lever has a fairly short travel, the action involves your wrist for the majority of the movement. Do not attempt to slam it or force it faster than it wants to go. If you are locking your wrist and moving your whole arm at the shoulder, you are using too much force.
To shift from the bottom of the H to the top, again start by forming a cup with your palm and fingers. This time when you place the hand over the shift ****, the emphasis of contact is on the heel of the palm. Start with the wrist slightly bent up. Push the lever using the palm heel in a straight line using your wrist to extend the position of the palm heel while following through with a gentle push of the arm. This shift is more arm motion than wrist.
When shifting across the H such as between 2nd and 3rd gears, do not try to make a conscious jog in your hand movements. The linkage needs very little input to make the diagonal path across neutral. Your shift should almost look like a straight diagonal line. Making a distinctive zig zag through neutral is strong-arming the shifter and will slow the shift down.
Using smooth, soft control of the lever does not imply doing it slowly. A gentle force of the lever will allow the shift linkage to move freely through its natural motions. If you strong-arm the motion you will end up forcing the linkage through lines that have more resistance. This will slow the shifting down. Use as much wrist movement as possible in place of moving the whole arm.
Some of you may be tempted to learn the techniques of "speed shifting"--shifting without using the clutch--in the interest of saving time. Many schools and professional racers have shown over and over that there is no speed or lap time advantage to this, and it carries a much higher risk of gear box damage.
Many people fall into two bad habits on the street when shifting. First, "Hollywood" has taught everyone that it looks cool to always leave your right hand on the shift ****. Wrong! You may as well tie your hand behind your back as leave it on the shift ****. Your hand belongs on the steering wheel--always. When you need to shift--shift, and get your hand back on the wheel. Don't even rest it on the shifter for a few seconds a head of time to "get ready." Every time your hand leaves the steering wheel you've given up 50% of the tactile feedback you have from your hands, and 50% of your capability to control the car. If you're racing with other cars around you, you never know when you may get tapped. Even when racing alone, mechanical failure may cause handling trouble. You'll want both hands on the wheel when that happens.
The second bad habit some people have is shifting with excessive force. Too tight a grip, and slamming from one gear to another will actually slow your shifting down, and cause excessive mechanical wear. Proper shifting uses an open palm grip on the top of the shift ****, and a gentle but fast guide from one gear to another. We repeat---all shifting is properly done with the hand open and cupped over the top of the ****, not wrapped around it like a fighter plane control stick.
To shift from the top of the H to the bottom, start by forming a cup with your palm and fingers. Place the palm of the hand over the top of the shift ****. Using the underside of your fingers and your palm against the ****, use a smooth straight-line motion to guide the lever to the next gear. Assuming the shift lever has a fairly short travel, the action involves your wrist for the majority of the movement. Do not attempt to slam it or force it faster than it wants to go. If you are locking your wrist and moving your whole arm at the shoulder, you are using too much force.
To shift from the bottom of the H to the top, again start by forming a cup with your palm and fingers. This time when you place the hand over the shift ****, the emphasis of contact is on the heel of the palm. Start with the wrist slightly bent up. Push the lever using the palm heel in a straight line using your wrist to extend the position of the palm heel while following through with a gentle push of the arm. This shift is more arm motion than wrist.
When shifting across the H such as between 2nd and 3rd gears, do not try to make a conscious jog in your hand movements. The linkage needs very little input to make the diagonal path across neutral. Your shift should almost look like a straight diagonal line. Making a distinctive zig zag through neutral is strong-arming the shifter and will slow the shift down.
Using smooth, soft control of the lever does not imply doing it slowly. A gentle force of the lever will allow the shift linkage to move freely through its natural motions. If you strong-arm the motion you will end up forcing the linkage through lines that have more resistance. This will slow the shifting down. Use as much wrist movement as possible in place of moving the whole arm.
Some of you may be tempted to learn the techniques of "speed shifting"--shifting without using the clutch--in the interest of saving time. Many schools and professional racers have shown over and over that there is no speed or lap time advantage to this, and it carries a much higher risk of gear box damage.
Round ***** are less likely to grap a glove. When I shift during autocrosses I try to think of the **** as white hot. get the shift done as quick as you can, it takes a tenth of a second to shift, add that up over the course of a multi lap race and it will cast seconds. When I'm pimpin' i just go nice and smooth.
Sambusik-
Excellent link, pictures and post on shifting
And very very helpful-right on the mark. Makes a hell of difference-perhaps the reason why the cooper with CVT can hold its own or kick Axx on an MCS. Nothing's worse than being in the wrong gear :evil:
Yes skill is required.
Excellent link, pictures and post on shifting
And very very helpful-right on the mark. Makes a hell of difference-perhaps the reason why the cooper with CVT can hold its own or kick Axx on an MCS. Nothing's worse than being in the wrong gear :evil:
Yes skill is required.
>>There is no "proper" way Katie. Whichever way floats your boat is fine. And remember what fine means: Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional.
That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
>>>>There is no "proper" way Katie. Whichever way floats your boat is fine. And remember what fine means: Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional.
>>
>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
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This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
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>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
>>
This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
The link sambusik pointed to (turnfast.com)
is loaded with info that would be good to review especially before going to do some performance driving whether on the track in autoX or solo, or at driving school.
Worth a look-IMO
is loaded with info that would be good to review especially before going to do some performance driving whether on the track in autoX or solo, or at driving school.
Worth a look-IMO
>>>>>>There is no "proper" way Katie. Whichever way floats your boat is fine. And remember what fine means: Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional.
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>>>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
>>>>
>>This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
>>
>>
Well, all those families you're worried about protecting weren't created by freaking. At least that's not the way me mum explained it.
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>>>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
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>>This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
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Well, all those families you're worried about protecting weren't created by freaking. At least that's not the way me mum explained it.
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>>>>>>>>There is no "proper" way Katie. Whichever way floats your boat is fine. And remember what fine means: Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional.
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>>>>>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
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>>>>This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
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>>Well, all those families you're worried about protecting weren't created by freaking. At least that's not the way me mum explained it.
I think that theme is currently playing on another MCO thread. Nuvolari, the Italian master of racing? Nice mini-equine.
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>>>>>>That's not the version I heard. I thought it was F'd up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotional... Variable definition?
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>>>>This is a family oriented site, I took a small liberty to protect the innocent.
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>>Well, all those families you're worried about protecting weren't created by freaking. At least that's not the way me mum explained it.
I think that theme is currently playing on another MCO thread. Nuvolari, the Italian master of racing? Nice mini-equine.
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