http://autos.aol.com/article/general...16150109990001

To be fair read here http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/edr-site/

If they actually did this, I CAN see "them" maybe using GPS data to hand out tickets in the future .... or not.

Opinions?

 

Tough call. I'm in favor of things that enhance safety and assist in research. I hope it would be used only in that way.

 

Scary. Period. It has such enormous potential for "big brother" written all over it... and not the good kind (i.e. CBS).

I really hope they pass laws that require vehicle owner's consent to access any data recorded by the EDR. It's your vehicle, and you should own everything on it, including the data.

 

Would it be possible to disconnect the EDR? That might be a simple solution unless they make it illegal...

 

i think they will need LOTS of data storage to be able to
hand out tickets by GPS data... but i think it's possible.

for some reason reminds me of the track by RUSH,
RedBarchetta.

 

More info http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...ack_boxes.html

Looks like some 2005+ cars already have them on the car and you don't know it

Your asking who owns the data in the box. Thats a good question. It appears some states are starting to address that http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...es_states.html

I would imagine here is the counterargument.

The ECUs in new Porsches and Lotus record a great amount of data on the engine. For example, how many seconds the engine was turning such and such RPMs. What was the highest operating temperature, etc. They even record how many times you dump the clutch at high RPMs. Who owns that data?

On the first service of an Elise, they pull the ECU dump. You abuse the engine during the break-in period, its ground for denying warranty coverage. You exceed the redline, to much, too high up ... no coverage. I could imagine that you can say NO, its my data ... you cannot look at it but Lotus then says, OK, no coverage.

I would bet insurance companies do the exact same thing. You deny them access to the data ... fine ... no coverage.

The more I read into this, the more I do not like it. Accessing engine information ... how fast I was going, how long, etc. is one thing ... knowing EXACTLY where I went via GPS ... thats crosses the line. Whats going to be next? Private investigators pull the data and tell the wife "Heres the address hubby has been spending his nights at?"

 

Well now, if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear.

 

^^ +1 chows, it sounds like you got something else you want to tell us?

 

Ugh.....I don't want nor need this recorder for any reason......see this article on today's FOX website.

If you don't like recorders, then don't buy GM....Les

 

There is no reason why they need to place a black box on ANYone's car. Whats next? Monitors inside your home? Did anyone see "Island"? The guy gets up in the morning, urinates in the toilet, and the toilet runs a UA and tells the guy if anything chemical is "off" in his system. Then the automated kitchen refuses to serve him bacon because his cholesterol was high that morning. Nuts! That is totally the extreme, but come on. Its not about if you are doing anything right or wrong. It's about right to privacy. Do you all know that in same states there are long standing (very outdated) laws against certain types of hinkyhinky ? See.. what if they black boxed your home?? Get your butt hauled off to jail because you and your honey are over the missionary! Ok, its offical, I am crazy!

 

I'm sorry, but we (your insurance company) detect that your were speeding when you hit the patch of ice and slid into the streetlight. We (your insurance company) also note that your left tailight has been inoperative for over 159 miles. We (your insurance company) will not longer pay for damages incurred in a poorly maintained vehicle, or during moving violations. We are also aware that your vehicle violated sector rules on 3 occasions in the past 6 months. Since you insist on operating in dangerous sectors we (your insurance company) have been forced to double your premium.

We appreciate your business!

 

Don't laugh. That is exactly where the fear starts. Its to be used for accident investigation. You were speeding and had the accident ... YOU broke the law. No insurance for you

But I really don't like the GPS thing. How the hell are all the guys going to get away to the local bar from their SOs?

 

Who do you think came up with the GPS idea.

 

I have built in gps. My SO could never figure out how I knew where he was going and what he was going to do before he did. it's the XX.

 

Women Damnnn built-in RADAR. They know what your thinking before you think it

I've heard that women can think about 10 things at one time, multi-tasking them all at once, while men have a hard time just finishing the one thing they are working on.

Venusian brains must be wired with built in satellite guidance

 

First the cars try driving for you & then they snitch on you. I hope they make automakers reveal which cars are equipped with them. It will help me make my choice when buying.

As far as womens esp goes, us guys never had a chance.

 

Hi Chuck.....you may wish to read this article.

....Les

 

Thanks Les, what a timely article eh?


It still worries me that the courts will decide who sees the data collected. Here's my paranoid scinario...Did a track day & then a couple of miles down the road you are involved in a wreck that's not your fault.. They look at the data logger & it shows you drove over 110 miles per hour for most of twenty minutes. The prosecutors may well say you drove like a maniac & caused the wreck. Maybe a bit far fetched, but maybe not so in the near future.

 

See http://www.komotv.com/news/7299131.html

 

"The NHSTA says starting in 2011, owner notification will become a requirement."

 

hmm.. I never noticed if it was listed in our MINI's. Off to read the manual later on.