I keep hearing how people say more than 200whp and a FWD car is undrivable
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I keep hearing how people say more than 300whp and a FWD car is undrivable
I keep hearing how people say more than 300whp and a FWD car is undrivable. I was wondering the reasoning behind this. I know there's people who thing you don't need any more than that. That's not the people I want to hear from. I'd like to hear from those who think 200whp+ would not be controllable on the street as a daily driver. I'm not here to argue points, but to try to understand your reasoning.
*Note: please note the HP figures are in WHP not BHP which most cars are advertised at.
*Note: please note the HP figures are in WHP not BHP which most cars are advertised at.
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It would be an overstatement to say it's 'undriveable'. The issue with high HP FWD is that you're asking one set of wheels to both channel 200HP to the ground and steer (and brake.) That's a lot to ask.
That said, there are 200HP MINIs out there, and lots of Hondas. You only get the 200HP way up in the rev range, so you get to choose when you harness those horses.
That said, there are 200HP MINIs out there, and lots of Hondas. You only get the 200HP way up in the rev range, so you get to choose when you harness those horses.
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
I keep hearing how people say more than 200whp and a FWD car is undrivable. I was wondering the reasoning behind this. I know there's people who thing you don't need any more than that. That's not the people I want to hear from. I'd like to hear from those who thing 200whp+ would not be controllable on the street as a daily driver. I'm not here to argue points, but to try to understand your reasoning.
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Originally Posted by Uncle_John
I'd not want to put 400+hp through the MINI gear box on a regular basis, The pieces have to be stout enough to handle the torque.
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Originally Posted by Tuls
we have put over 400 WHP through the tranny with LSD...with slicks...so far so good...you will loose an axel before you loose the tranny from what we have seen so far...gettrag goooood!
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Just go down to the Dodge store and test drive an SRT-4 to see for yourself how "undrivable" it is. 230hp/250 lb-ft and front-drive is perfectly manageable with modern street tires, though not necessarily any faster than with less power. 355hp/365 lb-ft from the top dealer-installed and fully warranted Mopar "Stage 3" kit too: http://www.mopar.com/street/products_srt4_stage3.htm
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i really wanna do that, just for the heck of it
Originally Posted by BFG9000
Just go down to the Dodge store and test drive an SRT-4 to see for yourself how "undrivable" it is. 230hp/250 lb-ft and front-drive is perfectly manageable with modern street tires, though not necessarily any faster than with less power. 355hp/365 lb-ft from the top dealer-installed and fully warranted Mopar "Stage 3" kit too: http://www.mopar.com/street/products_srt4_stage3.htm
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if the map was a sudden spool it would be hard to control especially
coming out of a turn or from a standstill.
coming out of a turn or from a standstill.
Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
I keep hearing how people say more than 200whp and a FWD car is undrivable. I was wondering the reasoning behind this. I know there's people who thing you don't need any more than that. That's not the people I want to hear from. I'd like to hear from those who thing 200whp+ would not be controllable on the street as a daily driver. I'm not here to argue points, but to try to understand your reasoning.
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Originally Posted by mybroscoop
if you can modulate the acclerator, you should have zero problems driving a 200 hp fwd car!
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It's about weight transfer.
If you gas it, the weight transfer it to the rear wheels. that's why rear drivers will do better 1/4 mile times than a front driver. But undrivable, that's just BS. The guy that told you that is speaking out his a$$. He's just quoting stuff that he doesn't understand to sound like a wise person, and comes off as a smart-***!
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I agree that it's totally driveable. HOWEVER...it does spin on the factory performance run-flats tires and the winter X-ice (haven't tried R compounds yet) from a stand still....you need to get a little roll going. And it will spin the winter tires in 1,2,3rd gear if you push it. The only problem with it is a little torque steer (spelling? ) when changing gears but that is something you can easily learn to accept and expect.
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Originally Posted by Tuls
hmmm, hey Dom who was it who said that again?
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I would have to say that I don't think that 200HP in a FWD car is "undriveable" considering that most of the Japanese "sporty" cars are making better than that as is.
I think a better statement would be that a 300hp or better FWD car starts to test the limits of useability. I mean, how many twincharged Minis do you know of kicking *** at autocross? With that much power, traction becomes a problem. Hell, ask the SRT-4 crowd what their cars would be like with over 300whp, without an LSD.
It wouldn't be pretty.
Which is why for me, if a car has more than 300whp, it's gotta be AWD or RD. Why waste power?
I think a better statement would be that a 300hp or better FWD car starts to test the limits of useability. I mean, how many twincharged Minis do you know of kicking *** at autocross? With that much power, traction becomes a problem. Hell, ask the SRT-4 crowd what their cars would be like with over 300whp, without an LSD.
It wouldn't be pretty.
Which is why for me, if a car has more than 300whp, it's gotta be AWD or RD. Why waste power?
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I still don't buy it...
Originally Posted by CooperSigma
I would have to say that I don't think that 200HP in a FWD car is "undriveable" considering that most of the Japanese "sporty" cars are making better than that as is.
I think a better statement would be that a 300hp or better FWD car starts to test the limits of useability. I mean, how many twincharged Minis do you know of kicking *** at autocross? With that much power, traction becomes a problem. Hell, ask the SRT-4 crowd what their cars would be like with over 300whp, without an LSD.
It wouldn't be pretty.
Which is why for me, if a car has more than 300whp, it's gotta be AWD or RD. Why waste power?
I think a better statement would be that a 300hp or better FWD car starts to test the limits of useability. I mean, how many twincharged Minis do you know of kicking *** at autocross? With that much power, traction becomes a problem. Hell, ask the SRT-4 crowd what their cars would be like with over 300whp, without an LSD.
It wouldn't be pretty.
Which is why for me, if a car has more than 300whp, it's gotta be AWD or RD. Why waste power?
So blanket comments are ususally pretty much useless.
Matt
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
Quoting HP without regard to car weight etc is rather pointless. Look at the reference to the Olds Toranado above. Sure the thing was a tank, but a very powerful front drive one. With that big fat iron V8 sitting on top of the tires, it could use a whole lot more of the torque before things got squirly....
So blanket comments are ususally pretty much useless.
Matt
So blanket comments are ususally pretty much useless.
Matt