If I were to sell the MINI
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08-25-2007, 05:11 PM
If I were to sell the MINI
I know, I know - but I might need to to get a more reliable daily driver.
Thoughts on the following possible replacements...
Lexus IS250 (new or a nearby dealer has an '06 awd with all the goodies)
Acura TSX
Acura TL (the dealer has an 07 nighthawk black type s with 6,000 miles on it in my price range)
Others you might suggest?
Even thought about getting a toyota pickup to haul future toys but not sure I could take it every day.
Thoughts on the following possible replacements...
Lexus IS250 (new or a nearby dealer has an '06 awd with all the goodies)
Acura TSX
Acura TL (the dealer has an 07 nighthawk black type s with 6,000 miles on it in my price range)
Others you might suggest?
Even thought about getting a toyota pickup to haul future toys but not sure I could take it every day.
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http://www.jdpower.com/util/ratings/...r=1&orderDir=1
if your talking reliability, that ought to send you in the right direction. Acura not to good.
if your talking reliability, that ought to send you in the right direction. Acura not to good.
I've driven my brother-in-law's TSX when in need of wheels on Texas visits. The styling isn't quite to my liking, but it is a very sporty European handling vehicle that I found fun to drive. Friends I know who have Acuras swear by them, as they do their Hondas.
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08-25-2007, 08:24 PM
my cousin has one and
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08-25-2007, 08:35 PM
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08-25-2007, 10:33 PM
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Keep the MINI! You'll ultimately regret it if you sell it.
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08-26-2007, 06:24 AM
Ancedotal data concerning friends of friends who "swear" by brand X means nothing. I can probably show you people who own MINIs who have never had any problems whatsoever and also owners in current threads who are trying to dump their cars because of too many problems. Individual ancedotal stories are meaningless. However, accumulations of statistics, such as represented by the link are more meaningful simply because of a larger represenative sample.
I always get a kick out of people who say things like:
"I've never had a flat tire in 20 years so flats are not a problem"
and then they get three in a week
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08-26-2007, 06:54 AM
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Click the link. Acuras are ranked 10th, behind Honda, Toyota and even Jaguar and Mercury (albeit better than BMW, AUDI, etc.) I don't consider ranked 10th .. too good.
Ancedotal data concerning friends of friends who "swear" by brand X means nothing. I can probably show you people who own MINIs who have never had any problems whatsoever and also owners in current threads who are trying to dump their cars because of too many problems. Individual ancedotal stories are meaningless. However, accumulations of statistics, such as represented by the link are more meaningful simply because of a larger represenative sample.
I always get a kick out of people who say things like:
"I've never had a flat tire in 20 years so flats are not a problem"
and then they get three in a week
Ancedotal data concerning friends of friends who "swear" by brand X means nothing. I can probably show you people who own MINIs who have never had any problems whatsoever and also owners in current threads who are trying to dump their cars because of too many problems. Individual ancedotal stories are meaningless. However, accumulations of statistics, such as represented by the link are more meaningful simply because of a larger represenative sample.
I always get a kick out of people who say things like:
"I've never had a flat tire in 20 years so flats are not a problem"
and then they get three in a week
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Ok, overall Acura ranks 10 out of 34 or so. Guess it's a matter of interpretation whether this is "unreliable" or not. IMHO, it does not translate into unreliable.
I triangulate data with anecdotal evidence, and to me, it certainly does mean something. It's the operating rules of teaching. And, when I research cars, and test drive cars and talk to friends about their cars, I come up with some pretty solid views on what I would want to drive or recommend to others.
Given that, I have unhesitatingly recommended an Acura TSX to a young professional starting out in her psychometric career. One year later, she still has not had a single problem and loves it.
Ok, overall Acura ranks 10 out of 34 or so. Guess it's a matter of interpretation whether this is "unreliable" or not. IMHO, it does not translate into unreliable.
I triangulate data with anecdotal evidence, and to me, it certainly does mean something. It's the operating rules of teaching. And, when I research cars, and test drive cars and talk to friends about their cars, I come up with some pretty solid views on what I would want to drive or recommend to others.
Given that, I have unhesitatingly recommended an Acura TSX to a young professional starting out in her psychometric career. One year later, she still has not had a single problem and loves it.
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08-26-2007, 12:19 PM
I did not say it was unreliable. I said:
if your talking reliability, that ought to send you in the right direction. Acura not to good.
This is about the marque, no a particular car withing the marque. If there are 9 other car makers ranking better, I don't consider #10 to be "too good". In "overall quality" its easy to see there are multiple tiers. The top tier, populated by Lexus and Porsche, from the 5 star system, look like a quantum leap above all others.
The 4 star grouping runs from Honda to Toyota.
Finally Acura starts the 3 star grouping.
Sorry, with two clear tiers above the 3 star group, I can't consider Acura to be in the same level/company/whatever.
As to ancedotal data ... thats is all it is ... somebody's story. It is not statisical meaningful. Its just like the flat tire stories. I could tell you I bought a Seagate HD and it failed in 30,000 hours so thats not good. Another person could say theirs lasted 600,000 hours, so buy it. Suppose the MTBF is 300,000. So which person's story do you believe? The person who got 30,000 hours or the one who got 600,000 hours and yet the mean time between failure is 300,000 hours.
Just because somebody has had no problems with car X means absolutely nothing in the big picture. You need a big enough sample size to be meaningful. If I were to tell you the problems I have had with my MINI, you would NEVER buy a MINI ... run ... run far away. But others have had no problems at all. So what does that mean?
Of course people will tell you that you can make statistics mean anything you want or JD Powers is useless or whatever. The fact is, for this set of data at this point in time, Acura is two tiers down in these rankings. Not good IMO. But ... to each their own.
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Just because somebody has had no problems with car X means absolutely nothing in the big picture. You need a big enough sample size to be meaningful. If I were to tell you the problems I have had with my MINI, you would NEVER buy a MINI ... run ... run far away. But others have had no problems at all. So what does that mean?
By the way, the Acura TSX is reliable
#17
08-28-2007, 05:37 AM
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Crazy idea - what if I were to buy a new mini with the things I wished I had gotten on it - like nav and real leather seats (miss the smell).
I know there are threads on this but how is the sidewalk leather?
Does the (guess it would 08) cabrio have the 'new' voice nav or the old system?
I know there are threads on this but how is the sidewalk leather?
Does the (guess it would 08) cabrio have the 'new' voice nav or the old system?
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08-28-2007, 09:47 AM
^^ too crazy.
i test drove a R56 cooper-s when my MCS was being serviced.
the R56's drivability is super vs my R53...that's for certain... BUT,
it drives more like a CivicSi or a Celica or something... it's too refined
making it less of a "MINI".. if that makes any sense. it feels like an
ordinary family sporty car and not as moody.
if that's wat you're after, i suppose that's great, but if i was
going to get just another sporty car, i would get something with
a V6... like your TL option.
i test drove a R56 cooper-s when my MCS was being serviced.
the R56's drivability is super vs my R53...that's for certain... BUT,
it drives more like a CivicSi or a Celica or something... it's too refined
making it less of a "MINI".. if that makes any sense. it feels like an
ordinary family sporty car and not as moody.
if that's wat you're after, i suppose that's great, but if i was
going to get just another sporty car, i would get something with
a V6... like your TL option.
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08-28-2007, 11:05 AM
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The only thing to do is get out there and test drive any cars you are interested in as well as look at forums and such to see what kind of issues people are reporting (and also check with any feedback specifically of your local dealer service). In the end, though, if its the Mini community you love it will not matter how great or reliable another car is.
#20
08-28-2007, 01:22 PM
You could always wait and see what's coming. This could be all kinds of fun if it happens. Which it prolly won't.
http://forums.caranddriver.com/auto/...sage.id=76#M76
Or, on the other hand, maybe Hyundai will beat GM (Camaro) and DC (Challenger) to the plate with a new V8 drive platform. Let the race begin, I say.
http://forums.caranddriver.com/auto/...sage.id=76#M76
Or, on the other hand, maybe Hyundai will beat GM (Camaro) and DC (Challenger) to the plate with a new V8 drive platform. Let the race begin, I say.
#21
08-28-2007, 03:45 PM
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The 08 Cabrio will still be an R52 (1st Gen), which means the same Nav system that I and all other 1st Gen MINIs have. The new 2nd Gen cabrio (R57) won't be out until the 2009 models.
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