RMW Bay Area Tuning Session
#201
I actually lost HP.....
...JK... So, I'll be the first to post my graph. Explanation is required here, if you look at my graph it actually shows that I've lost some TQ & HP. However, this was on the final run. Jan went back and loaded a previously saved map that increased HP to the hand written numbers. We just didn't do a final run after the new map because that had been done earlier but I didn't get a printout of that graph.
The engine was already strong from the begining. Although my numbers are not dramatic or earth shattering, it definitely pulls stronger and smoother throughout. I was testing it all the way home from San Jose to Fairfield and there is definitely a difference!
My mods: 15% Craven pulley, MiniMadness CAI, Milltek Catback.
-----Thanks to Sharo and Jan for putting this on. It was nice meeting and talking with everyone there.
The engine was already strong from the begining. Although my numbers are not dramatic or earth shattering, it definitely pulls stronger and smoother throughout. I was testing it all the way home from San Jose to Fairfield and there is definitely a difference!
My mods: 15% Craven pulley, MiniMadness CAI, Milltek Catback.
-----Thanks to Sharo and Jan for putting this on. It was nice meeting and talking with everyone there.
Last edited by brownflyer; 03-06-2008 at 08:20 PM.
#205
RMW Bay Area Tuning Session
Thanks to Jan, Sharo and the Team at Goodies !!
I got what I wanted. Drivability!!
There's a noticeable improvement in power delivery and for my car it no longer drops off in power, almost stumbling, prior to red-line.
My gains were +8.8 ft/lb and 12.6 hp. The final numbers are 164.7 ft/lb and 189.5 hp.
And yes, you can feel every one! Just like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps pulling and pulling!!!
Yes, I'm a happy camper thank you!
I got what I wanted. Drivability!!
There's a noticeable improvement in power delivery and for my car it no longer drops off in power, almost stumbling, prior to red-line.
My gains were +8.8 ft/lb and 12.6 hp. The final numbers are 164.7 ft/lb and 189.5 hp.
And yes, you can feel every one! Just like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps pulling and pulling!!!
Yes, I'm a happy camper thank you!
#206
167lbft and 191hp peak numbers -gains of 11 and 13, respectively*. Almost all of the extra torque is available right from tip in. The engine feels a notch smoother and definitely juicier. I would describe myself as a happy customer. Thanks Jan and Sharo for getting me out the door on schedule!
*2004 engine with 72k miles; 05+ JCW kit with intake and injectors
*2004 engine with 72k miles; 05+ JCW kit with intake and injectors
Last edited by tazio; 03-07-2008 at 01:17 PM.
#208
My numbers are a little low at 195.6 HP and 175 TQ, but being an automatic it's not bad. The problem was my car keeped up shifting at 6400 rpms and we were unable to get it hold in gear. The car is definitely stronger. It seems to have two kick down points. Jan and I where talking about the problems in dynoing with the automatics. He said he was going to do a little reseach on the programing and see what can be done. Thanks Jan the car runs great.
#210
Hey everyone! Just wanted to give a BIG thank you to Jan for coming out here, Sharo for organizing everything for us and the great shop crew. The Goodies crew looked exhausted, it was obvious you all had a long previous night.
I was fortunate enough to get my tune first. I would have loved to stick around and get to know everyone better, but I have been under the weather and was on the bring of collapsing the whole time I was there, but I wasn't about to miss out on this rare chance. My girl friend actually had to drive home.
On to the stuff you all want to see...
This is a 06 factory JCW with no other mods. Jan mentioned that I need a new belt and may have got a slightly better number if it had been changed. It was also running leaner then JCW's usually do which was probably exasperating the flat spot at 3000 rpm, this was my main reasoning for the tune.
Flat stop is gone!!! I haven't had a chance to push it too much, but it does have a little more power and a MUCH smoother delivery. THANK YOU JAN!!!!!
Again, so sorry I couldn't hang out longer, hope everything went smoothly after I left.
I was fortunate enough to get my tune first. I would have loved to stick around and get to know everyone better, but I have been under the weather and was on the bring of collapsing the whole time I was there, but I wasn't about to miss out on this rare chance. My girl friend actually had to drive home.
On to the stuff you all want to see...
This is a 06 factory JCW with no other mods. Jan mentioned that I need a new belt and may have got a slightly better number if it had been changed. It was also running leaner then JCW's usually do which was probably exasperating the flat spot at 3000 rpm, this was my main reasoning for the tune.
Flat stop is gone!!! I haven't had a chance to push it too much, but it does have a little more power and a MUCH smoother delivery. THANK YOU JAN!!!!!
Again, so sorry I couldn't hang out longer, hope everything went smoothly after I left.
#212
Wanted to thank everyone that came in and participated for Jan's tune. We had 2 long days of fun tunning and had it not been for Matt (DR O.) we would not have been able to finish some the cars that had some leaking and belt slipping issues.
Huge thanks to Matt and his outstanding effort and hard work, voluntary, to help out the people that needed it.
The event was great when you get to meet Jan. What can I say about him. He worked and tuned and tuned and ate his lunch while tunning. The results of every individual I will leave with that person to post as they please but all I can say is that there was not one single person that didn't leave the shop/tunning session without being very happy to say the least.
I just had the pleasure of taking Jan and Matt to breakfast in Los Gatos cafe, a local place for some great food and took few pictures for my own pleasure .
As far as my results since this would be my part in sharing the numbers, I haven't scanned my dyno sheet but we went 3 pulls with mine which was the last car of the event. Well 70spop had to do a 2nd session, being the actual last person, due to the earlier leak he had and the map that Jan had to make sure was the right one with better results for him. But as far as my results, like I said, we had 3 pulls, 2 base and one with Jan's tune;
1st base pull came in at 205 whp and 162.5 lbs trq.
2nd base pull came in at 213 whp and 165 lbs trq.
3rd run (Jan's tune) came in at 220 whp and 172.0 lbs trq.
The best part of the tune on mine (like everyone else) was the lb trq at the tip (2,400-2600 rpm) base was 129-130 which it jumped to 145-150 with Jan's tune and it stayed constant and rose through almost the entire range with the peak of 172.0 at 5,878 rpm doing 94 mph.
Notice that I'm still with the stock injectors and perhaps had we done the 4th pull I'm convinced that the 225-230 would not have been impossible since my car had been sitting all day and got it to warm up a little before the runs. It was interesting that the car put out better numbers with every pull and I felt that if we had hit the 7,500 rpm the car could have easily done 225-230 whp.
My trq. is alive and the car is running much safer than before which was very very lean. Now my little beast is running very safe with much improved trq and an unbelievable, shocking experience of the test drive around the block. I had my heart pumping so fast when I got out of my car and looked at Jan and we could not stop laughing and I was screaming in joy.
70Spop was there to be the only witness of my ecstasy feeling besides Jan and the shop workers.
I can't tell you enough about how much stronger the car feels and runs now compared to before, it was almost scary. Jan and I were laughing at how unbelievable the power was. He basically looked at my expression after my test drive and started to laugh with me and we could not stop talking about how great it was.
I want to take this chance of thanking Jan again, a consummate professional in every category and what an outstanding job that he did these past 2 days with a remarkable effort that he put out in his nonstop tunning, even when he was eating his lunch. As they say, you have to see it to believe it, well I'm a believer now more now than I was before.
Here is to Jan and another to Matt and all his help.
Thanks again to everyone and hope you enjoyed your experience.
Sharo
Huge thanks to Matt and his outstanding effort and hard work, voluntary, to help out the people that needed it.
The event was great when you get to meet Jan. What can I say about him. He worked and tuned and tuned and ate his lunch while tunning. The results of every individual I will leave with that person to post as they please but all I can say is that there was not one single person that didn't leave the shop/tunning session without being very happy to say the least.
I just had the pleasure of taking Jan and Matt to breakfast in Los Gatos cafe, a local place for some great food and took few pictures for my own pleasure .
As far as my results since this would be my part in sharing the numbers, I haven't scanned my dyno sheet but we went 3 pulls with mine which was the last car of the event. Well 70spop had to do a 2nd session, being the actual last person, due to the earlier leak he had and the map that Jan had to make sure was the right one with better results for him. But as far as my results, like I said, we had 3 pulls, 2 base and one with Jan's tune;
1st base pull came in at 205 whp and 162.5 lbs trq.
2nd base pull came in at 213 whp and 165 lbs trq.
3rd run (Jan's tune) came in at 220 whp and 172.0 lbs trq.
The best part of the tune on mine (like everyone else) was the lb trq at the tip (2,400-2600 rpm) base was 129-130 which it jumped to 145-150 with Jan's tune and it stayed constant and rose through almost the entire range with the peak of 172.0 at 5,878 rpm doing 94 mph.
Notice that I'm still with the stock injectors and perhaps had we done the 4th pull I'm convinced that the 225-230 would not have been impossible since my car had been sitting all day and got it to warm up a little before the runs. It was interesting that the car put out better numbers with every pull and I felt that if we had hit the 7,500 rpm the car could have easily done 225-230 whp.
My trq. is alive and the car is running much safer than before which was very very lean. Now my little beast is running very safe with much improved trq and an unbelievable, shocking experience of the test drive around the block. I had my heart pumping so fast when I got out of my car and looked at Jan and we could not stop laughing and I was screaming in joy.
70Spop was there to be the only witness of my ecstasy feeling besides Jan and the shop workers.
I can't tell you enough about how much stronger the car feels and runs now compared to before, it was almost scary. Jan and I were laughing at how unbelievable the power was. He basically looked at my expression after my test drive and started to laugh with me and we could not stop talking about how great it was.
I want to take this chance of thanking Jan again, a consummate professional in every category and what an outstanding job that he did these past 2 days with a remarkable effort that he put out in his nonstop tunning, even when he was eating his lunch. As they say, you have to see it to believe it, well I'm a believer now more now than I was before.
Here is to Jan and another to Matt and all his help.
Thanks again to everyone and hope you enjoyed your experience.
Sharo
Last edited by SharoSC02; 03-08-2008 at 12:20 PM.
#216
I enjoyed meeting everybody. Big thanks to Sharo for organizing and running the event. Jan was very professional about getting the job done right as issues came up. Matt (Dr Obnxs) was incredible donating his time and expertise. Fully a third of the cars had some issues, and Matt salvaged their sessions.
#217
Yeah, Sharo was really excited after his "test drive" following the last pull.
#218
Fully agree with everyone. The tune from Jan made the mini run a lot smoother. Mine had a step function in torque at around 5000 RPM. Jan smoothed out the torque curve and made the car pull a lot smoother. I ended up with 161 ft*lbs for torque and 172 hp at 6700 rpm. Can't remember where torque peaked, but much like Checkers, I'm pretty happy with the results on an automatic transmission. My drivetrain mods are 15% pulley, JCW injectors, dinan intake and exhaust.
Future mods will be RMW head, header, cam, rotrex kit and another tune. Just have to convince my boss (i.e. wife) that I'm a good boy and deserve more toys..
Almost forgot to say it was great to meet everyone on Friday. Thank you again to Sharo for putting this together and waiting both days and still being the last guy to get tuned. Thank you to Matt as well, without whom at least 1/3 of the guys would have slipping belts or even worse problems.
Time to take my wife up to Napa this weekend to show her how much I deserve new toys..
-Mike
Future mods will be RMW head, header, cam, rotrex kit and another tune. Just have to convince my boss (i.e. wife) that I'm a good boy and deserve more toys..
Almost forgot to say it was great to meet everyone on Friday. Thank you again to Sharo for putting this together and waiting both days and still being the last guy to get tuned. Thank you to Matt as well, without whom at least 1/3 of the guys would have slipping belts or even worse problems.
Time to take my wife up to Napa this weekend to show her how much I deserve new toys..
-Mike
#220
understatement of the year
thanks again to everyone for being such great hosts and even nicer people! I had a great time and look forward coming to the Bay area again. Great food and great times!
jan
#221
I'll second and third and etc. everyone else - Thanks to Jan and Sharo for tuning and organizing, and a HUGE thanks to Matt (Dr. O) for technical assistance above and beyond the call of duty. He did a LOT of wrenching that allowed several of us to get a proper tune, including changing a few s/c belts and, in my car, chasing down a vacuum leak that was giving Jan fits for a couple hours - turned out the line for the boost gauge had fallen off the fitting at the intake manifold.
Results:
I can't post the charts, but going from memory
Baseline:
182.0 hp
162ish ft/lbs tq
After getting everything buttoned up and a couple tweaks:
191.4 hp
164 ft/lbs tq.
We got a peak of 168 ft/lbs on one of the pulls, but it was just a couple peaks on that run, not a solid maximum.
The car is a JCW with the airbox and 380s, a MiniMadness airfilter in the JCW box, ALTA header and Milltek catback.
The car doesn't feel crazily different (unlike Sharo's, which picked up 20hp and 10 or so ft/lbs), but tip in response is MUCH better now (power comes on - and the gauge registers boost - instantaneously when you give it a little gas) and the car pulls strong and smooth all the way past 7,000 rpm. I haven't tried hitting the rev limiter - I think it's at 7,300 now.
Results:
I can't post the charts, but going from memory
Baseline:
182.0 hp
162ish ft/lbs tq
After getting everything buttoned up and a couple tweaks:
191.4 hp
164 ft/lbs tq.
We got a peak of 168 ft/lbs on one of the pulls, but it was just a couple peaks on that run, not a solid maximum.
The car is a JCW with the airbox and 380s, a MiniMadness airfilter in the JCW box, ALTA header and Milltek catback.
The car doesn't feel crazily different (unlike Sharo's, which picked up 20hp and 10 or so ft/lbs), but tip in response is MUCH better now (power comes on - and the gauge registers boost - instantaneously when you give it a little gas) and the car pulls strong and smooth all the way past 7,000 rpm. I haven't tried hitting the rev limiter - I think it's at 7,300 now.
Last edited by 70spop; 03-10-2008 at 07:55 AM.
#222
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#225
Glad I could help out...
but I"m still tired.... Anyway, my peak HP numbers didn't change that much... From 189 to almost 195. BUT I got about 10 ft-lbs of torque from about 2500-5000 RPM, with the delta slowly going away to about 7000 RPM. My A/F ratios were climbing from about 6000 on, so I'm thinkin I'm a bit fuel starved at the end. Also, I'm still running the one-ball exhaust, so the car needs to breath better to get better peak numbers....
And probably the best thing is that I don't throw any more lean codes cruising on the freeway. I've been plagued by that since the MTH map for the 380 cc/min injectors I put in oh so long ago....
Anyway, I can now bang out a belt change in about 5 min on a manual car, but the automatics are a bit more of a PITA!
Matt
And probably the best thing is that I don't throw any more lean codes cruising on the freeway. I've been plagued by that since the MTH map for the 380 cc/min injectors I put in oh so long ago....
Anyway, I can now bang out a belt change in about 5 min on a manual car, but the automatics are a bit more of a PITA!
Matt