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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 01:51 AM
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... does anybody know about problems with the availability of MTH headers?
 
Old Jun 12, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFastMini
I am contemplating an ECU upgrade, after reading this thread MTH wont be one of my choices. Man I feel for you guys who have been waiting sooo long for a response. You would think that while MTH was reorganizing that would have had frequent posts to keep thier customer base up to speed.
I've been waiting since late January for MTH to get its' act together. I'm not holding my breath, but I still need a solution here.
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 05:35 AM
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I honestly cant see why you guys in the states are having problems, especially when you have DMH posting a fair bit on here answering questions.

I dont see this happening in other countries, which is rather strange.
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 11:20 AM
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... does anybody know about problems with the availability of MTH headers?
Also waiting ...
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Has anyone recieved an update file? I think a few of us may be due some extension on our year of upgrades.
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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Also waiting ...
From what i know, they will have new stock at MTH by the end of the week.
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tampastang
Has anyone recieved an update file? I think a few of us may be due some extension on our year of upgrades.
Have you requested a new file from your MTH dealer ? If yes, who?, you
really need to chase it up with them
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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Sorry you feel this way...

Originally Posted by MyFastMini
I am contemplating an ECU upgrade, after reading this thread MTH wont be one of my choices. Man I feel for you guys who have been waiting sooo long for a response. You would think that while MTH was reorganizing that would have had frequent posts to keep thier customer base up to speed.
because no one is having to wait any longer. Positive changes have been made. And have you not seen my posts?
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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You need?

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I've been waiting since late January for MTH to get its' act together. I'm not holding my breath, but I still need a solution here.
You are not being exactly honest in your posting concerning your request. And this kind of carrying on doesn't help anyone. From what I can tell with your heavily modified engine, you need a custom tuned ECU -- eddy current dyno style.
For typical requests the file turnaround is only 1 business day.
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Sorry dude, but I've been real straight forward. I'm not asking you or MTH to attempt to tune my engine, I will do that with my piggyback. Actually the more you want to try to tune my car for me, the bigger the struggle will be. You're correct that my setup is very non-regular. What I'm asking of you guys should be simpler than most customers requests. I just need my stock file adjusted per my very explicit instructions, which is not difficult at all for a competent technician. According to Volker, changing the injector size was one setting and extremely easy for him. Are you still waiting to hear something back from MTH in Germany?

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Originally Posted by dmh
You are not being exactly honest in your posting concerning your request. And this kind of carrying on doesn't help anyone. From what I can tell with your heavily modified engine, you need a custom tuned ECU -- eddy current dyno style.
For typical requests the file turnaround is only 1 business day.
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Cooper_Si
From what i know, they will have new stock at MTH by the end of the week.
That's what I've been told, too. I have great support from my local MTH-dealer.
But still waiting ... (as I need replacement for a broken MTH-header)
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
Sorry dude, but I've been real straight forward. I'm not asking you or MTH to attempt to tune my engine, I will do that with my piggyback. Actually the more you want to try to tune my car for me, the bigger the struggle will be. You're correct that my setup is very non-regular. What I'm asking of you guys should be simpler than most customers requests. I just need my stock file adjusted per my very explicit instructions, which is not difficult at all for a competent technician. According to Volker, changing the injector size was one setting and extremely easy for him. Are you still waiting to hear something back from MTH in Germany?

Regards,
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Since you have changed your forced induction system from a supercharger to turbocharger I will once again suggest to you, Ryan, that to realize the potential from your engine a system such as Motec be utilized. Piggyback systems, such as Unichip or Shark, only allow what the ECU potentionally can deliver by fooling the inputs. But by not maximizing your ECU with custom eddy dyno work you are leaving too much to chance.
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 05:00 AM
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I have to say, i'm a bit disappointed with MTH, as i've sent countless emails to them, and had no reply. My MTH file made zero difference to power. Just better throttle response, and better Traction Control. Will be dynoing the car to see what the AFRs are like. If they are too rich, as i suspect, i will be emailing MTH with some heavy words.
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by etalj
I have to say, i'm a bit disappointed with MTH, as i've sent countless emails to them, and had no reply. My MTH file made zero difference to power. Just better throttle response, and better Traction Control. Will be dynoing the car to see what the AFRs are like. If they are too rich, as i suspect, i will be emailing MTH with some heavy words.
Sorry you are disappointed. I do not who you are but as it has been noted, you ought to email me for any service issues you are having.
Zero difference in power? That's odd!
If you choose to dyno, make certain that it is an eddy style with a proper fan setup. A proper fan setup starts at about $5000 and goes up from there. Better yet, test at a track. Also, Mustang's and DynoJet's are rather useless unless you want to see peak hp. Don't try to tune on them -- they can't hold a steady throttle.
FYI--Richer than leaner makes power.
We look forward to your data but, if you are going to all the trouble and expense, make sure you do it right.
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dmh
Since you have changed your forced induction system from a supercharger to turbocharger I will once again suggest to you, Ryan, that to realize the potential from your engine a system such as Motec be utilized. Piggyback systems, such as Unichip or Shark, only allow what the ECU potentionally can deliver by fooling the inputs. But by not maximizing your ECU with custom eddy dyno work you are leaving too much to chance.

I've already told you in an e-mail why I don't want to currently explore a full-standalone. I understand the hurdles of implementing the stock ECU with my setup. Based on your lack of an e-mail reply regarding the standalone ECU, it sounds like you're not interested in entertaining my goals of keeping the features of the stock ECU.

If you, as an MTH representative, are saying MTH can't deliver the goods per my request, that's one thing, I'll move on. Swaying me to NOT buy MTH's product, despite my insistence, is really bad business.

Can you get MTH to deliver what I ask?
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
I've already told you in an e-mail why I don't want to currently explore a full-standalone. I understand the hurdles of implementing the stock ECU with my setup. Based on your lack of an e-mail reply regarding the standalone ECU, it sounds like you're not interested in entertaining my goals of keeping the features of the stock ECU.

If you, as an MTH representative, are saying MTH can't deliver the goods per my request, that's one thing, I'll move on. Swaying me to NOT buy MTH's product, despite my insistence, is really bad business.

Can you get MTH to deliver what I ask?
It can probably be done but it is not on the front burner*. Delivering an undeveloped product could potentially be bad for all involved.
And to suggest that it is bad business to lead someone to a better alternative is untrue. Honesty is good business. And that is why I think, with the heavily modified engine you have, that you would be best off going to a real race shop equipped with an eddy current dyno and proper testing facilities.

*Update: It is now on the front burner.
 

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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 11:48 AM
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I, for one, have been happy with MTH. A group of us did our cars a couple of months ago and got our files in a bit over a week and all has been good. One question though. It seems all of us that MTH'd our cars received emails in the last day or so that seem to be a repeat of what we got a couple of months ago. Are these duplicate files? Or some sort of update?
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dmh
It can probably be done but it is not on the front burner*. Delivering an undeveloped product could potentially be bad for all involved.
And to suggest that it is bad business to lead someone to a better alternative is untrue. Honesty is good business. And that is why I think, with the heavily modified engine you have, that you would be best off going to a real race shop equipped with an eddy current dyno and proper testing facilities.

*Update: It is now on the front burner.
I received an email from MTH in Germany, so we're on a good track here. However, I don't understand their reluctance to pay attention to my requests. I don't want to run JCW injectors, per their request, they won't let me reach my power goals. From the beginning, MTH has not bothered to ask any relevant questions that would lead them to conclude ANY injector size would be appropriate, so I have no idea how they can assume to know my setup better than I've designed it. Like I've said, I understand my setup. My long block is BONE STOCK, the only differences are the external components, which results in a slightly adjusted VE in various map locations. The basic premise of contacting MTH in the beginning was to get the base fuel map adjusted for larger injectors so I could adjust my boost level beyond the ability of the stock injectors. Since then I've added a few tweaks to help me refine the drivabilty and account for those few VE changes and operation parameters.

I hope you can understand I'm not some moron blindly tinkering. I only ask MTH to help rewrite my ECU file. I will never hold you or MTH responsible for my setup, as long as MTH delivers exactly as I requested.

I also understand that in a perfectly funded world, a Motec M400 or similar would be an excellent setup for a functionality-reduced race car. The Motec would allow me to perfectly setup my engine, while sacrificing many convenience and safety functions. Me choosing to explore the piggy-back'd stock ECU is a rough attempt to have my cake and eat it too. I understand I won't have ideal control over the engine, and from the beginning I've accepted that. My car is in a very good operational functionality without any of your help. I don't need the MTH to drive my car. I'm only interested in the MTH as a means to a specific facet of my portfolio of goals for this project.

Thanks,
Ryan
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 08:47 PM
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Why would you expect MTH to deliver a VERY custom program just for you?
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 09:12 PM
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It took almost one week to get a response to an email. I am looking forward to some ECU reflash competition that is hitting the market soon.
 
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 09:27 PM
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Why would you expect MTH to deliver a VERY custom program just for you?
Not "VERY" custom at all. A single byte modified for injector size, and some minor tweaks to the fuel map is about it. There's way more done for the "normal" files that normal MINI customers would get.

As for why; because they said they would for a price premium.
 
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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Rye,

Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking that you were wanting a custom file for the same price as their off the shelf ones. I would like to see MTH do a little more custom work myself.
 
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MyFastMini
I am contemplating an ECU upgrade, after reading this thread MTH wont be one of my choices. Man I feel for you guys who have been waiting sooo long for a response. You would think that while MTH was reorganizing that would have had frequent posts to keep thier customer base up to speed.
No frequent posts? How frequent do they have to be to satisfy you? You can see my frequency data by clicking on my screen name. And most of my responses and requests are answered through email or the telephone.
 
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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I just wanted to say thanks to DMH for taking care of my issues, and for the one day turn around.
 
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by supergimp
I, for one, have been happy with MTH. A group of us did our cars a couple of months ago and got our files in a bit over a week and all has been good. One question though. It seems all of us that MTH'd our cars received emails in the last day or so that seem to be a repeat of what we got a couple of months ago. Are these duplicate files? Or some sort of update?
I second that question. I assume they are just clearing out all the previous requests, but you never know.
 

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