That's correct, pickler. Like I said, too good to be true. Either the entire US and UK communities are off, or we have 'generous' numbers.

 

Thats interesting....

 

I want to go to Germany & dyno my car. With only meager mods I should have 275 to 300 horses

 

i wouldn't mind putting my car on a dyno to test the numbers you posted as long as i get the best deal on stage one.. also, i live in san franisco bay area, california.. i have no i idea where to get my car dynoed.. let me know how you want to work it out.. (or if you already havs some one)

btw, all we have for gas is us-grade 91 octane here in california.. (dont want to spend more money on higher octane. hotter gas will burn holes in my pockets):smile:

lastly, will the header fit my miltek cat-back??? i dont want too many issues.. (plug and play is my way)

 

Just know, this is not CARB approved (AFAIK), and is an OFF-ROAD ONLY product in California, but I'd imagine unless you told them, they'd never notice! I dont think the DINAN kit is CARB approved, just for comparison.

91 Octane (R+M/2) will result in slightly lower numbers than optimal, but they'll be good numbers for people where 91 is all you can get (like CA).

It should be plug and play, but I'll let Volker comment on that.

 

??> does anybody listen or pay attention to that, 'not for highway use'..... story?!?!?!

**plug&play is the way!!***
--MTH or tradiuz, about how much different in #'s would u say??

--will this header line up well, w/a milltek cat-bak ??

 

1 kw = 1,34102 hp = 1,35962 PS

The fuel is very important. Running on 91 or 93 will not produce those figures. Standard fuel over here is minimum 95 (super), 98 (super+) and 100+ (Vmax). The Dynos we are using here are acc. DIN 70020.

The header is a straight swap and can be installed within 30 minutes. It will fit with other exhaust systems but produces best power with standard, Hartge or JCW exhaust. These are the ones we tested and that are TÜV approved with our header.

Pat and I just put a nice package together for the test car. But this person must live near Pat in order to do everything 100%. Wait what that car will show on the dyno and then make up your mind.

We have a JCW S 210 tested in a car magazine next month and we will post the article. They did the 0-100 km/h testings already.

Standard JCW 210 worst 7.1 s best 6.9 s
with tuner file worst 6.2 s best 6.04 s

Not yet tested with header but they expect 5.8 s .

 

will ur header have enough room to match port??

*what is it about JCW & Hartge thats different from Milltek? which is also TUV approved!

what Mag will u b in??

 

Milltek is not TÜV approved in Germany. Mag is called MOTORS.

 

!?!?what?? didn't know this..........

 

A USA Octane rating of 93(R+M/2) is almost equal to Europe's octane rating of 98.

 

What is the charge for just the header if I already have the tuner file? Obviously it will need to be updated for the mod, but that should be free of charge.

thanks

 

If you have the tuner file already, price is 718 Euro plus shipping. Sure we adjust the file free of charge.

Careful with the fuel! US fuel has 10% Ethanol, our fuel doesn´t. This makes a difference.

 

Only some places in the US, some times during the year use an ethanol blend, many do not.

 

Thx for info !

 

Agreed. That is pretty well-accepted. I've seen tests on other cars (VW/Audi) that showed similar knock sensor behavior for US and European cars running the same timing/fuel/boost settings on 93 US and 98 EU, respectively.

 

on ur header, where is the greatest power( range) felt.
looking for good torque #'s??

 

thats is interesting.. so, what about 91? how much horsepower is 1 octane point worth? 91 vs 93?

 

It improves power and torque throughout the rev range but especially at lower revs.

 

Here's the deal. I'm looking for a Houston Area MINI Cooper S (Relatively stock please), or someone close enough that they can come to Houston for a Saturday.

$1200 for the Stage 1 Kit (Manifold + Tuner File).

This includes shipping, installation, and 9 dyno runs (3 sets of 3), and lunch.

Installation and Dyno's would be done at Bavarian Hypersports. They are among the best MINI Tuners in Houston, and have a Dynojet 248C.

This is a one time deal, first come, first serve. This is a savings of over $500.

 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_power


hp (DIN)

This is the power measured according to the German standard DIN 70020. It is measured at the flywheel, and is in practical terms equivalent to the SAE net figure. However, be aware that DIN "horsepower" may in fact be expressed in PS (Pferdestärke) - see "Metric horsepower" below.


PS

This unit (German: Pferdestärke = horse strength) is no longer a lawful unit, but is still commonly used in Europe, South America and Japan, especially by the automotive and motorcycle industry. It was adopted throughout continental Europe with designations equivalent to the English "horse power", but mathematically different from the British unit. It is defined by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB)[2] in Braunschweig as exactly:

1 PS = 75 kp·m/s = 735.49875 W = 0.9863201652997627 hp (SAE) The PS was adopted by the Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN), and subsequently, by the automotive industry throughout most of Europe. (In the nineteenth century, however, the French did not use this German unit, but had one of their own, the Poncelet.) In 1992, the PS was rendered obsolete by EEC directives, where it was replaced by the kilowatt as the official power measuring unit, but in situations where horsepower was used for commercial and advertising purposes, it continued to be used, as customers are not familiar with the usage of kilowatts for combustion engines.

The European and Japanese automotive industries may use "horsepower" or "hp" (rather than "PS" or "CV", etc.) when referring to metric horsepower in their press-releases or in the media.





I will be adjusting the numbers on MTH-USA to reflect SAE HP instead of metric HP, but the point will be moot soon anyway, because I'll have dyno graphs up instead of numbers mid October.

 

good read/info!!

so im a little bothered by the milltek not beign 'TUV approved'.....
should i worry about this, much?

 

It would only matter if you were going to drive your car in Germany. TUV is similar to CARB, UL, and EPA. I doubt the Miltek is CARB approved either .

The reason I posted this information is to prevent any misconception about our products, or doubts about our claims based on numbers being listed incorrectly (even though the terms PS/HP are interchangeable in parts of Europe). For the record, its only 1.94% different.

 

? yea that's what i was wonderin' (carb approved) but oh well.....

will u be addin' any more interior 'bitz' to ur list?

 

The guage pods got pushed farther back due to some manufacturing problems, so I removed the teaser from the shop. I guess the stickers count as interior mods as well...