R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+) MINI Cooper and Cooper S (R56) hatchback discussion.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

R56 Brake pad sensors two stage?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 11, 2018 | 08:18 AM
  #1  
Lipofskyphoto's Avatar
Lipofskyphoto
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 164
Likes: 20
From: Greater Boston
Brake pad sensors two stage?




My brake warning shows 1100 miles left on the the rear pads. This number does not change with additional mileage.

I'm a gearhead and do check the pads with a caliper and do understand that the light may or may not mean that the pads need to be replaced.

My question. The sensors are supposed to be two stage. Did I get a previous warning with a higher mileage and miss it? What is your experience with this light?

What mileages does it show? Does that mileage change? If so, in what way?

I'm trying to understand how this system works. Does the computer "care" about actual mileage?

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Feb 14, 2018 | 06:27 PM
  #2  
Lipofskyphoto's Avatar
Lipofskyphoto
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 164
Likes: 20
From: Greater Boston
OK, I studied my Bentley Manual and this is what I learned.

Orange light = OK, Yellow = Service Due, Red = Service Overdue.

I cannot reset my light (see top of post). Bentley tells me that is likely because the wear sensor wore through. I don't know if the second stage of the sensor will wear and indicate red, but that's what I think.

Again, I check my pads with a digital caliper, so really, I'm just trying to understand how this system works.

Here's how I think the system works.

Until a sensor wears, the brake pad monitor gives a guesstimate of miles left to replace based upon mileage, braking, sunspots etc.

When the first sensor breaks, you get a yellow 1100 miles left. That doesn't change until the second sensor breaks.

When the second sensor breaks, the warning turns red and continually counts down the mileage into negative numbers.
 
Reply
Old Feb 14, 2018 | 07:05 PM
  #3  
Minnie.the.Moocher's Avatar
Minnie.the.Moocher
OVERDRIVE
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,391
Likes: 576
From: earth PNW
I know dual sensors exist, just haven't seen them mentioned on MINIs before.
 
Reply
Old Feb 14, 2018 | 07:33 PM
  #4  
WayMotorWorks's Avatar
WayMotorWorks
Vendor
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (10)
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,621
Likes: 802
From: Atlanta, GA
Yes the sensors are a dual stage sensor so once you wear half way through the computer knows and est the mileage to try and make the next touch of the sensor more accurate on remaining distance.
But we still find they tell you that you need pads before you actually do.
 
__________________

HOTCHKIS | DDM | CRAVEN | AKRAPOVIC | NM ENGINEERING | MEGAN | FORGE | OS GIKEN | POWERFLEX and more


Reply
Old Feb 28, 2018 | 10:33 PM
  #5  
Pramuk's Avatar
Pramuk
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 269
Likes: 2
From: Boston


I have this. And can’t reset!!!!! I think need new brake sensor ....
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2018 | 06:24 AM
  #6  
Lipofskyphoto's Avatar
Lipofskyphoto
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 164
Likes: 20
From: Greater Boston
The sensor won't throw the "Brake" light. That would be low brake fluid, a leak in the system or the Emergency brake switch stuck on.

Have you checked the level of your brake fluid?

The lower light indicates that your rear brakes are crazy overdue to be replaced. Have you looked at them?
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2018 | 08:00 AM
  #7  
WayMotorWorks's Avatar
WayMotorWorks
Vendor
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (10)
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,621
Likes: 802
From: Atlanta, GA
YES you need a new sensor. I drove my car for a year like that as it will turn on the brake light since it thinks you are really over due.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/brake-...5-r56-r57.html

Originally Posted by Pramuk


I have this. And can’t reset!!!!! I think need new brake sensor ....
 
__________________

HOTCHKIS | DDM | CRAVEN | AKRAPOVIC | NM ENGINEERING | MEGAN | FORGE | OS GIKEN | POWERFLEX and more


Reply
Old Mar 2, 2018 | 08:55 AM
  #8  
Lipofskyphoto's Avatar
Lipofskyphoto
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 164
Likes: 20
From: Greater Boston
I agree that you need a new sensor, but my point is that, unless your rear brake pads were replaced without the sensor being replaced, you are WAY overdue to replace the pads.

Make a check of the pads immediately.

I am not aware that the sensor would cause the "Brake" indicator to come on, only the lower display.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2018 | 10:48 AM
  #9  
Pramuk's Avatar
Pramuk
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 269
Likes: 2
From: Boston
I just got new rear brake sensor today. Will replace it and let see if the light will gone.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2018 | 07:46 PM
  #10  
Lipofskyphoto's Avatar
Lipofskyphoto
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 164
Likes: 20
From: Greater Boston
What is the condition of the pads?
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Case1220
Stock Problems/Issues
4
May 8, 2010 08:44 AM
Wagnbat
DC Metro MINIs (Archive)
4
Oct 12, 2008 07:21 AM
SKL
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
3
Oct 28, 2007 05:58 PM
guitfiddler
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
10
Oct 10, 2007 12:04 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:06 AM.