So I guess posting a picture like this will get me in big trouble right



Seriously.
If you own a MINI there is no way you can say that you have not gone above the posted speed limit. He who is without sin , through the first stone.

I not saying that everyone should go out do things like that but I think the moderators should also understand that most of us are adults and take responsibility for our actions. Saying that illigal passing and excessive speeding are not appropriate than you should sit down and play a few vidoeo games. Talk about bad infuence Bad infuence is everywhere and it is up to us responsible adults to say we are or are not going to take part.

But don't take away what makes us MINI enthusiests.

 

Damn, if you're gonna do 140, have the passenger take the pic!

That's ok, we all know (wink wink, nudge nudge) it's photochopped...

 

Depends where it was taken and how it's posted. The pic itself does not violate the guidelines. That said, posting pics like that tends to rapidly take topics down the path of having people bragging about how they went 100+ on a public road in the U.S. and that's what gets topics locked/removed.

That's not what our guidelines say.

We don't say "speeding" (as in 5-10 over type of stuff), we say excessive speeding" (double the posted speedlimit, 100+ MPH on public roads in the U.S.) and street racing.

Understood, but we're also not going to provide a venue for bragging about street racing and extra-legal speeding. Those types of behavior endanger other road users and as an automotive community we're not going to do anything to encourage that behavior by enabling members to post about it.

Sorry, but street racing, driving double the posted speedlimit, and going 100+ MPH on public roads are not what make us MINI enthusiasts.

 

Dave, have you ever driven over the speed limit or crossed the double yellow, for any reason?

If excessive speeding = 100+ or double the posted limit, does that mean we can talk all day about going 99 and be safe? Say the limit is 15mph (in a parking lot) and you drive through at night, alone, and go 30, is that going to be moderated as it is double the posted limit?

Apparently all we need to do to avoid posts being edited and threads being locked is say we were driving out of the US, so anything we did would be legal, as it was not on US roads, right?


Why then are videos of people say in Germany, on the Autobahn, driving at what you deem excessive speeds (for the US) pulled? If it isn't illegal there, why would it matter that we see it here? What if in some country street racing was legal, are videos of it done there going to be subject to similar treatment?

Just wondering how far you are going to go with this.

 

I love this question. The implication being "those who are without sin"...

Yes, I have gone over the posted speedlimit. I wouldn't begin to claim I hadn't.

No, I haven't come on NAM to brag about how (for example purposes only) the MINI was still pulling hard at 120 MPH while I was driving around Phoenix last night playing with some friends.

There is a huge difference between the two.


The guideline says "excessive speed", I'm just providing a couple of examples of things that would generally be considered by the moderation team to be excessive, but we do examine each case that comes up on its own merits.

No, you would need to indicate where it took place. Since 90+% of NAM's members are from North America we would assume it took place here. We may pull the thread to under review and attempt to clarify that with the original poster.

And telling us you took these photos on your super sekret private test track isn't going to fly either.

I know of no case where just posting a video such as that has been pulled. The reason being drivers in those countries (the other road users) are use to being overtaken at those speeds, because those speeds are legal there. In the U.S. those same speeds are dangerous to other road users (who as a result of the lower speedlimits aren't use to being overtaken at such speeds) and as such if the topic drifts into posting about speeds attained by members in the U.S. we will lock those threads.

It doesn't. What does matter is that discussions that start with a european focus tend to have the topic drift as more NAM members jump in with claims of how fast they went. Since again, the vast majority of NAM's members are from north america, that's where problems start regarding people posting about how fast they went on public roads.

Show me where that's legal first.

There is nothing new about how the rules or how we are enforcing them. The guidelines have been the same on this site regarding excessive speed, reckless driving, and street racing for years.

 

This being true, your teaser video does indeed display troublesome behavior in the double line section only (i.e. seconds 19-22), since you crossed the line, including on a blind corner. Whether it be accidental or not, the fact it was included in the video is really the main concern, at least in my opinion (as a non-moderating fellow NAM member).

That being said, the fact that all of the single-line roads were actually one-way traffic does indeed make the video far less "offensive" (in terms of NAM guidlelines) than first thought by many (including me)... but that does not mean it's squeaky-clean either.

So in my opinion the real truth lies somewhere in-between the claims of blatant NAM "hypocrisy" for selling the video on the store, and your claims of total innocence.

 

The topic heading that refers to filmmakers “rights” is somewhat erroneous in my opinion because we have no real rights on a privately held forum. The moderators have the right to edit as they see fit. With that being said, a forum that is primarily geared towards owners of performance-oriented cars will get pretty damn boring when we edit out the "motoring" aspect of discussion - eg. "I drove to the store to pick up a gallon of Milk" is as heavy as it gets.

 

Well, we're no where near that.

Top Speeds (track / closed course)

 

OK everyone, time to change your location in your profile to Germany and we can post any speed we want . . .

 

You've thrown down the gauntlet now. I'm going to see what I can come up with...
Is it okay if I give things the illusion of speed?

 

[quote=Dave]I love this question. The implication being "those who are without sin"...

Yes, I have gone over the posted speedlimit. I wouldn't begin to claim I hadn't.

No, I haven't come on NAM to brag about how (for example purposes only) the MINI was still pulling hard at 120 MPH while I was driving around Phoenix last night playing with some friends.

quote]

What you were in Phoenix and you didn't call
That's it I Excessively speeding down to your place now

You need to take some pictures of me excessively speeding in my VTEC

Seriously.

I agree that for safety reasons we should all abide by the laws of the road regurdless of braging rights. But there are some rules that can really restrict us from have harmless fun.

Here is a good question. Do the rules apply to those that would choreograph a professional video of a car chase scene then want to promote the scene on a fourm like this for review.

 

If the road were closed by an authority, if it were on private property, or you edited it in such a way that it was made to look fast but the driving was legal it would probably be fine.

If you filmed it on public roads with dangerous or illegal driving, then it would violate the site's guidelines. Methinks.

Steve

 

closed course, even closed public roads would be fine....no laws are being broken and public safety is not a concern.

Some of you california people know how it works when they close streets for filmaking.....Are road rules suspended? no speed limits etc.....Anyone know?

 

When a road is closed for filming the production company will have a permit to that effect. There will also be off duty or retired but uniformed police overseeing traffic and spectator concerns . Additionally there will usually be a stunt co-ordinator present and a safety meeting will be held by the first AD prior to any filming.

Randy
California person
M7 Tuning

 

So does the permit also approve of the estimated speeds that may exceed posted limits or the function of traffic lights etc....Or is it just accepted that closed roads is no holds barred fun for the filmakers?

 

I'm not sure they would call it fun, after working 14 hours, doing scene after scene, take after take, they might call it work

 

Even if it is a closed course, films include statements that cover themselves for liability reasons.

 

The permit will state in broad strokes the events to take place. IE: Car chase . If it is a closed road the term we use is we " own " the road and therefor can pretty much do as we please under the supervision of the producers. This includes parking equipment in traffic lanes or setting up base camp in an intersection for example.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

It sound like you know alot about this Randy. Been to a few shoots have we?

So what about the Dragon video. If that was filmed with the road being closed for the shoot than would it be safe to say it could be aired here?

Like maybe next year.

 

I think it would be better to put more effort into creating a video that really showcased the motoring experience in a safe and responsible way, rather than trying to throw effort at figuring out a way to get reckless driving, double line crossing, and excessive speeding captured on video and displayed on NAM.

 

True point. It wopuld have been really nice to see people in the video too. there was a lot more that went on the weekend than just motoring.

 

I think you should underline and bold that sentence. It is the most sensible thing stated related to this topic in the past 4 days.

 

Before M7 I worked full time on a TV show called CSI. I still work part time now and then for that as well and other shows here in L.A .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Never heard of it
That some sort of public access show or something?

 

I think it used to be then the rating slipped and now it is direct to beta : )

Randy
m7 Tuning