No one needs a turbo or wants a mild upgrade for what OEM power would provide? I need this gone, open to all reasonable offers.

#bump

 

Price drop to $950 which is actually less than my out-of-pocket to buy the core + develop/modify and rebuild

First solid offer takes it, need the room and this out of here...

 

Trying to put together holiday funds - does no one want a crazy deal on a brand new B48 turbo for our cars? Can I answer any questions??

 

Alright man, I'll bite. I've been keeping an eye out for a turbo upgrade for a little bit.

The truth is, I don't think there's enough details here to entice someone (like me) who has a perfectly functional factory turbo. The way it reads now, it kinda sounds like just a rebuilt turbo that had a port and polish done to the exhaust manifold and turbine housing.

You say "proprietary." I won't quiz you on exactly what that means, but what I do want to know is what the wheel sizes are so I can get a gauge on what kind of power upgrade I would be looking at.

If an MCS can make ~315hp on a Stage 2.5 with the stock turbo, it's kind of a hard sell at $800 to get 35hp, not considering all the misc parts for the install like gaskets, oil lines, etc.

 

This is exactly the problem. I push 350 on a mustang dyno with a stock mcs unit, you're going to have to take a huge hit on this or find a total moron.

 

So thanks for biting on the convo at least -

So to respond to everything, what maybe your missing here (part me, part you) would be that aside from the wastegate, everything is in new condition. Everything. (Most new turbos don't even have wastegates that come with them) Where are you buying ANY turbo in that condition with a wastegate for our cars this inexpensively? So when someone wants to replace theirs, this is the perfect choice: price competitive, improved performance, heat management... a distinct improvement over stock and a significant difference if you have ever driven a car like mine where the hot side turbo and manifold emit little to no heat into the engine bay. It's a big deal, especially on those warmer days. Heat soak is real on this platform.

But at the end of the day, this turbo was modified more for the ability to more quickly spool than either of your stock units PLUS it will outlast them due to better bearings, treatments and components, all of which are in brand new condition. So spend more for your new MCS turbo elsewhere or buy this one. Not a hard choice IMO. So maybe you guys just aren't the right buyers to understand the value this turbo brings or isn't a fit for some other reason... but there is someone in the position of buying a new one and they would be better off buying this. That's all

I don't know anything about how your cars behave, so I won't comment. I can tell you from experience that the stock turbo start to be overspun somewhere around 280WHP, so there is that too. It is already listed at a loss at this price. All my comments are based on a very long time building and modifying cars for track and street use 🤷‍♂️

I wasn't trying to sound salesy when I wrote this, but here is the marketing copy from the website:

https://www.essewerks.com/esse-werks...-turbo-upgrade

 

You're right, what you're trying to sound is dismissive, not salesy.

In my experience, a turbo upgrade isn't going to start being necessary until the 320+ mark. 280 is nowhere near the limit for the factory turbo.

The website has claims of 375 horsepower from this unit, but there's no substantiating evidence, and there's still no information on wheel sizes or what exactly you've upgraded the components to.

It all seems a bit suspect don't you think?

I'd love to believe you man, I've been looking for a turbo upgrade, but the transparency isn't there.

 

I am sorry you are taking my words with that tone, that is not what I am doing here or attempting. Not really sure what else to say if you don't accept that 🤷‍♂️ Moving on...

I said WHEEL HORSEPOWER, the figures you are throwing around are not WHP, so you are comparing apples-to-oranges here. Again, I speak from experience so there is nothing anyone can tell me to change what I myself have witnessed firsthand. That isn't a dig on you or anyone, just I have seen it with my own eyes, so I guess we agree to disagree, which is also okay.

There are aspects of this turbo build I do not wish to openly give away and you even stated upfront you won't ask me what proprietary means but here you are challenging me to divulge that information. Yes it hasn't been installed in a car yet but based on what I know about the stock turbo and the modified one I use now which IS installed, this falls in between them and that is where the specs are derived. Professionally built by a turbo specialist, NOT a backyard garage operation.

You are calling for me to divulge what I consider trade secrets in the name transparency in an industry that steals all ideas the minute they are revealed, and as much as I want to give you every nitty gritty detail, that doesn't protect the time, effort, money and work it took to produce this in the way it has been made, so I can't give you more without hurting myself in the process. At the end of the day, if you aren't a buyer, I totally understand that and all good. As I said before, based on what I am hearing, you might not be the right buyer for this turbo, your ideas are different.

I want to add there is nothing suspect about anything here, it's a new shop developing new products, at the very beginning of this brand's lifecycle. Some products not yet installed in the wild but that is changing every day, so if that inquisitive, stay tuned and watch the results someone else gets with it first I guess.

None of this is dismissive, I am just talking to you like a normal person Appreciate the feedback though, it is helpful. Thank you and hope you have a great week man.

 

Okay dude, I'll give you $200 for it and my core. I already push 412WHP on a mustang dyno with my stock turbo, sooo.. that's the best you will get. Unfortunately, we all make mistakes and this is a lesson in that. You worked up a stock unit and slapped some bearings (maybe?) no build photos, no specs, and an unknown company. If y'all want someone to run it, and i do mean RUN it, then give it to me. I've got a dyno, a tuner, and everything needed to actually show this is worth buying for other people. If you're not into marketing your product in a new company and having people test and report, then this just doesn't sound like anything but a lesser version of that other turbo swap company already out there J something, can't remember the name. Just work up. Theirs also comes with software.

That's the best you'll find.

 

LOL I really don't understand where the aggressive attitude comes from. If I am mistaken in that, sorry, but you seem hell bent on shitting on my sale.

I am perfectly comfortable with test and report - I never even commented on that lol.

** The stock turbo does NOT and is completely INCAPABLE of flowing enough air to make over 400 crank, never mind WHP 🥴 **

I am going to stop here b/c nothing productive is coming from this. Thanks for your perspective, I will keep it in mind.

Thanks for all your positivity, good luck with all your sales also

 

I'm just saying if you want to get it out there, you need testers and demos.

Also, on 100 octane the stock will push 400 and thats not an inflated Dynojet number. It's on a heartbreaking mustang dyno done at Specialty Z in SoCal.

I'm trying to help you get your product out, and just laying out the concerns of the community when stuff like this pops up.

Sure, I run no hood or skid plate so I get all the air, but numbers are numbers.

 

I hear you man and I appreciate you. Just felt hard coming at me at first ha.

Of course that is the way to get things out in this industry, but there was a reason I called this an OEM+ turbo upgrade. It is meant for the enthusiast who wants a little more out of the car without doing modifications or very big ones that alter the rest of the car from how it came from MINI/BMW. This fits in between that space - on one side you have the person looking to replace their turbo with a new one b/c its EOL, on the other side you have an upgraded turbo that packs a large power increase and probably requires supporting mods in order to work, not to mention software tuning.

This turbo can provide improved performance by coming on harder with a modest bump up top that the stock ECU can manage it just fine, or tune it to max potential. But it fits all OEM connections, so it is a simple swap and go kind of thing.

This is not who you are as a customer, you are not interested in either of those. BUT, there are plenty of owners with fully stock cars who will be coming up on the need to replace a worn out turbo and when they do, this will be a compelling choice given price and the additional benefits.

But appreciate the support and help. Publishing a new article today on suspensions...

 

No hard feelings, the Internet is hard to tell emotions or tone. I was trying to help relay and play middleman to keep the peace.

Hell, I'd run this, just to see if it's really that different and my car is a toy that's paid off and I don't worry about blowing it up and have access to a great tuner and a dyno, so naturally, I'm curious on it.

If you're selling coilovers, hit me up because I need to do my suspension so I'd be interested in that, just fyi.

If you wanna PM me and maybe we work something out, I'm open to it too.

 

Does this fit R57 plug and play no tuner needed? Im rebuilding my N18 engine right now.

 

Sadly no I dont think that is possible, the cylinder heads are different and the components from each do not transfer to the other. This is for 3rd gen F Series MINIs only

 

Hey man,

DM incoming....

 

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