Actually, just based on participating in forums, I've heard BMW owners report on differing base/stock car HPs after group dyno runs. Its not scientific but with the cars all running under the same conditions and on the same dyno there is reason to conclude there is truth to it. I also think its the nature of the beast, that each engine will come together and break in somewhat differently.

 

Ummm...is craptastic good or bad?

Paul

 

As the proud owner of a crapy car. You should do your homework.
Please read this thread, start to finish.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com...ad.php?t=51448
Not only will you learn more about your car and the people, who like you, own crap. But you will find your self LOL on several occasions.
Who knows, you might even find the irresistible urge to become a member of TEAM CRAPTASTIC.

I for one own several crapy parts and am damn proud of it.

"IN CRAP WE TRUST"

 

Already am, but can't say anything at this point about a specific case. MM specifically covers the issue of mods and places responsibility for the cost of the consumer's legal expenses squarely on the shoulders of the manufacturer. A number of legal firms specialize in MM and will charge nothing to the consumer.

Skiploder: PM me if you need some referrals.

 

I think the funny thing about this thread is that the only way to compare a MCS w/ a JCW would be to condust a test under the exact same conditions. Same track, temps, fuel, etc. Granted, I don't think the 18's on the R&T article helped much at all, but the only test that is valid from the numbers in the R&T article are between the three cars compared. You can't extrapulate from a test 3 years ago with a completely different car and testing conditions and drivers or a test from a different magazine. The whole argument is pointless.

 

With all due respect, my corporate lawyers consulted with a noted consumer law attorney who also deals in lemon law. It was with his honest advice that I decided to drop the MM Act.

The actual statistics regarding successfully prosecuted MM Act lawsuits is abysmal. There are several reasons for this - without derailing the JCW is Crap thread, one of the biggest is that most consumers and aftermarket manufacturers misinterpret the Act itself. Remember, at its core it was not written to allow us to mod the crap out of cars with performance boposting accessories, but allow consumers to not be forced to use only BMW branded replacement parts, specifically branded tires for the car, stereos, etc. - there's a big, big gray area between slapping on a Wix oil filter and a 19% pulley and expecting the same protection under the law.......

Anyway, this horse has been beaten to death. Many people on this forum have had success with the Lemon Law. I have yet to hear of one person on this forum, or any other automotive forums who have had success with the MM Act.

I sincerely hope you have better luck........I really do.

 

LOL, I didn't even know that was the case, I didn't click the links and in my haze did not catch that detail, somehow I though it was a back to back comparo at the same time - you are so right, considering that even if the cars were exactly equal in details it would be a pretty silly comparison given the other variables.

 

^^


I think we have at least 15 more years before the muecle car market bottoms out, and when it does, it will go down VERY slowly.

Also, the last Convertable Hemi Cuda i know of that changed hands wasnt on TV and it was for over 1.8, it was the only Alpine White 71.

 

let me tell you how i feel about JCW, if i knew that i would go through all these things with modding my ar, would have bought a JCW in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, i love my car, and probably it is as fast as a JCW if not faster, but for peace in mind it is worth paying extra money. But, too late, next time

 

I'm with you.

I love my car to death and it's wicked quick.

Don't know if I would go JCW if I had to do it over again. I think the DME is a piece of, well, crap - and try as I might, I can't get over what a rip the brakes are. I mean something about them rubs me the wrong way. I know a bunch a you JCWers will bray about the extra bite and how they were engineered to be in perfect zen with the car, but......

It's the tipping point for me. If it was a Brembo BBK ala the 350Z track package or some of the other in-house tuners, I might just buy into the package.......

I'd probably pay the extra dough and move up to a Lotus......

 

Why argue about 0.5-1.0 seconds in a car that is not a straight line hero?

If all you want to worry about is numbers by an Evo or a WRX or a S2K.

I don't have the JCW, though I though about it seriously. In the end I like to play by working on my car. It is cheaper than a shrink, even if I don't have a warranty now.

 

You may well be right! I will keep you posted regarding my results. My attornies seem more positive, but it's the results that count.

 

I recall reading that Road & Track DOES NOT drop clutches or speed shift. I'm sure MT did both to get 6.4 on the MCS. My guess is if MT had done the comparo, the JCW probably would have broken into the 5's.

Just a guess, but once again you cannot compare test results because of variances in temp, humidity, altitude, track surface, vehicle milage, launch technique, etc.

 

And to me, M&T dropping the clutch to get that time is perfectly acceptable. It's bragging rights to a car that can do 6.4 out of the box, w/o shredding my own car. I personally like to see these mags provide the testing of what the car is capable of. 99% of the population will never try to match the numbers they put in print, and are happy w/ how the car drive for them.. but it's also good to know what the car is actually capable of producing, actually showing what the limits are.. what that 10/10 really is.. That's good reading to me.

And I do agree totally that results are so environmentally subjective, especially w/ forced induction engines & humidity... and let's not forget the most important piece of the performace quotent... the driver..

 

I wonder the same thing every time I read one of these threads. After owning an E46 M3 for 3 years, I know my MCS is never going to be that fast in a straight line without making it ridiculously un-streetable. On the other hand, a M3 will never weigh in at 2700 lbs. My favorite feature of the car is its nimble handling which is in direct proportion to its relatively light weight. I originally ordered the factory JCW package but cancelled when it kept being delayed. I haven't regretted it at all. If I do any mods to my car, they will be more likely to enhance its handling than its straightline performance, why try to make the MINI something it's not?

 

The logo for team Craptastic is the best!!!

-alpinamike

 

Iho, if you succeed, please tell the community your course of action because I am SURE everyone will want to know

Good luck

 

That is EXACTLY what the last million dollar Ferrari buyer said!!!

What do they say "Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" ?

 

You need to do more than read Mikeys thread from start to finish since THAT thread was the culimination of many, many other threads. The history is simple money vs warranty. Nothing more.

Skiploader has a point about the brakes but MINIs have tiny rotors anyway ... looks like the GTI had much bigger rotor areas.

You got to understand what Michael Cooper is trying to do VICE, maybe, what some enthusiasts is trying to do and they may be totally different things.

 

Agreed

Where do I get one...I'd like to be an official member

Rex is SUPER craptastic and it is a love affair that I hope never ends

VIVE le Crap!

When I joined NAM (when Rex was just a pup) I was totally bent out of shape when the JCW package was beaten down...but it all comes down to personal choice. That's all. This topic is SO beaten to death! VIVE le CRAP! VIVE le CRAP!!!

 

I don't know that anything is printed yet, but by declaring your membership, it is so. Go over to the "Why is JCW Crap" thread and simply assert your crappy membership!

 

CRAP

 

Oh cool! the Flies are back . . . We need to add them to the logo . . .

 

What's Mr Poo without some flies?

Now if we could only get him to talk ...

 

..thank you
I will like to thank Mr Hanky and the JCW corporation for providing me with the muse.

VIVE LE MERDE!!... I mean...LE CRAP!!!