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Great article! It reminds me how I felt back in early 2015 “before” the new F56 JCW was released and my extra wait for the manual transmission. The anticipation was crazy and I’m sure you will feel even more excitement than me by waiting for your GP3!

Stay young at heart! I’m right behind you at 69!
another good article

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/m...s-gp-iii-spied

and now iam out her ........great car MINI, so sad you have no Autobahn.
 
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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/13/mini-john-cooper-works-gp-spy-photos/
 
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Originally Posted by Clutch Wotan View Post
another good article

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/m...s-gp-iii-spied

and now iam out her ........great car MINI, so sad you have no Autobahn.
I am impressed a less wild version of the wide rear fenders made it to the production car.

also looks like they are using an all new hankook extreme performance tire. Very similar tread design to the conti extreme contact sport and Michelin ps4
 
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I was shocked about that rear fender too!!
 
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I am impressed a less wild version of the wide rear fenders made it to the production car.

also looks like they are using an all new hankook extreme performance tire. Very similar tread design to the conti extreme contact sport and Michelin ps4
I am still a fan of the Michelin over the Continentals. There is a new blurb about the fenders this morning on the Motoring File.

http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/02/...and+Podcast%29
 
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I am still a fan of the Michelin over the Continentals. There is a new blurb about the fenders this morning on the Motoring File.

http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/02/...and+Podcast%29
Nice to see they're at least somewhat keeping the fenders. Shame they've been toned way down.
 
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Automatic only ...... you can have it
 
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I love the new automatics. But I just bought a '19 JCW. I am thinking that 3-4 years from now, I will be able to buy a low mile GP for a decent price. The first two models were not a sales success and when slightly used were fairly cheap. Will history repeat?
 

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I hope and nearly be sure they offer manual as well.

In the past the where no options for GP, with the revised pricing on this, the manual stays under 50.000.

For all which like to tune their MINI themselves, you can use all of the trim on your F56 anyhow .
 
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I hope and nearly be sure they offer manual as well.

In the past the where no options for GP, with the revised pricing on this, the manual stays under 50.000.
All reports are pointing towards the GP3 being offered with the 8AT only. Currently there isn't anything in the parts bin within bmw/mini that is a transverse layout that can handle that power other than the 8AT in the x2. Frankly the engineers for the GP3 need to pull everything they can from the bmw parts bin possible to keep cost down.
 
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Leave it in automatic form so I wont get an itch!
 
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The way things are going I bet it will only have the sport automatic which isn’t a bad thing these days for a sports car. But the manual will always offer a visceral feel and coordination by the driver with the engine that the automatic cannot offer, even if the auto is faster!

My concern is cost! My somewhat stripped down manual JCW was pushing $40,000 back in 2015, so I doubt very much the GP3 will be under $50,000....prob closer to $60,000.

And remember, when that fancy automatic transmission breaks you are looking at a very large bill to fix the thing! Not so much with a manual if it ever breaks! lol!

I’d bite on the GP3, but my pampered JCW is still new with less that 1200 miles! I’m keeping it!
 
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and I bet that they will offer MT as well under 50.000, the X2M45i costs in Auto only 55.000.

 
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and I bet that they will offer MT as well under 50.000, the X2M45i costs in Auto only 55.000.
x2 m45i does not exist..... the x2 m35i base price is $46k but that is an apples to oranges comparison vs the gp3. Just the x2 alone as far as sales is on track to exceed sales figures of ALL mini sales combined.

Again there currently isn't anything bmw has for the transverse layout for a transmission that can handle 330lbft of torque. I don't see BMW allowing a poor selling brand to spend millions developing a stronger manual for a limited production vehicle.

 
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x2 m45i does not exist..... the x2 m35i base price is $46k but that is an apples to oranges comparison vs the gp3. Just the x2 alone as far as sales is on track to exceed sales figures of ALL mini sales combined.

Again there currently isn't anything bmw has for the transverse layout for a transmission that can handle 330lbft of torque. I don't see BMW allowing a poor selling brand to spend millions developing a stronger manual for a limited production vehicle.
Lets see who is right, the basic price X2 m35i is 55k not 46K with that engine and auto. Im sure BMW is happy with your proposed sales figures.
 
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MT transmission 1Series to come , but you don't have ;-)
 
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Lets see who is right, the basic price X2 m35i is 55k not 46K with that engine and auto. Im sure BMW is happy with your proposed sales figures.
The X2 M35i starts at $46,450 in the US: https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/x-mo...-features.html

The X2 M35i starts at 55.200€ in Germany: https://www.bmw.de/de/ssl/configurat...B/F39/esl/new/, take off the 19% VAT and you're right at 46.387€
 
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and I even get 15 %

- The question is if the GP3 comes with Automatic & Manual
- and if it sales unter 45.000 ( No Doubt on this)
 
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and I even get 15 %

- The question is if the GP3 comes with Automatic & Manual
- and if it sales unter 45.000 ( No Doubt on this)
Yeah, in the US sometimes you're stuck paying MSRP on any of these in demand vehicles. It's next to impossible to get 15% off on a BMW/Mini, you'd have to be stacking rebates and buying at the right time of year to hope to hit that number.
 
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300 hp GP3, this article claims to confirm it (or should I say another article...):
https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-mini-j...hor-1832594336

That will make for quite a ride. Now if someone would find out what it is going to look like.
 

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I think the GP3 will already fall under National State of Emergency, as Mrs Kushner in Munich just told us.
 
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That will make for quite a ride. Now if someone would find out what it is going to look like.
There are multiple mule photos dating back to mid last year. The more recent photos show the exterior changes and the new rear fenders. Track testing is happening now.
 
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Different rims too
 
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I love my ‘17 JCW with the JCW pro coilovers and exhaust, but man, this is tempting. I’m never to the world of Minis - Can anyone advise if this is something you can daily?
 
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You can if you want, but it is not the most comfortable car for a daily driver if remains true to the earlier versions. It is a more track oriented machine and the seats are made to hold you in place, there is less sound insulation, etc. Your JCW is sort of the best of both worlds, a good daily driver and a decent track car. I just read a post in an online motoring magazine that the base GP3 will start at $49,000 US.
 

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