I just Looked at the new Harness for out Mini in Randy's post. The only issue I have is with rear point of attachment. I know Randy mentioned the belt is a 4 point and there will be no "Submarining" but with that attachment point so low (Attaching to the rear seatbelt female end) I feel it is quite dangerous if you were to be involved in a colision becuse the harness would pull you down (compressing your spine) instead of back. Tell me if I am wrong???

 

Depends on the angle. When I hung out with Al @ BMP he told me they were the only DOT approved set available. I think that has to do with the mounting technology but I'd think it would have something to do with the angles and stuff?


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Doug,

Looks to me that as long as your shoulders are not substantially higher than top of the seatback, where the upper belts pass, the seatback would prevent the downward force you are concerned about.

For most of us, should be no problem. For "Torso-Man", might be an issue. But for anyone that tall, the headrest adjustment wouldn't be right either and a "tall" aftermarket seat would be in order.

I think this setup looks pretty sweet considering easy mount/dismount and no hacking up the interior; perfect for the occasional track day or club event. I like it.

Cheers,

James

 

Thanks for the Quick responses and info :smile:

Add another thing to the wish list.

 

read this thread:


http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...oulder+harness

 

What's the difference between this one and the mini-motorsport one?


http://www.mini-madness.com/item.jht...p;PRID=1194726

 

Hi. I'm wondering if any LADIES out there have the Schroth Rallye 4 harness in their MINI and what they think of it?

I'm wondering if there are comfort issues for ladies who (obviously! ) don't have a chest nearly as flat as guys do? What do you think? Bearable? Does it just hit you in all the wrong places? Do you need pads for the belts that go over the chest? Are the comfort trade-offs worth it anyway?

Thanks!
Tracy

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you should be fine unless you are tall. i had the 4 points in my corrado bolted to the the rear seat blet female ends (not like a normal seat belt, but bolted where those bolts are), and it was perfect. i wouldn't want it any higher unless i happen to have a roll cage in. but that isn't the point. it fit comfortably for me in the corrado at that low angle. so i don't see why it would be a problem in the mini. i did keep my harness's for the mini, just need a chance to install them after i get an exhaust and chip. no need for them in a slower vehicle right now. i do feel much more safe wiht the 4 points, but will stick it out this year without. unless i get time to install them.

 

I can't wait to get mine. I'll be posting a full review on my site in a couple weeks.

 

Tracy,
I highly recommend giving Brett at SoloRacer a call. He carries the full line of Schroth harnesses (along with the Rallye 4 in many different colors) and has lots of experience in selling these to both men and women so I think he can probably give you some good insight.

Mark ) don't have a chest nearly as flat as guys do? What do you think? Bearable? Does it just hit you in all the wrong places? Do you need pads for the belts that go over the chest? Are the comfort trade-offs worth it anyway?
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If anyone gets more info on this in terms of safety or set up please post.
Gabe- looking forward to your evaluation.
There are versions of this product for MINI and other cars. And there are separate models for the right and left seats. I have seen also the shoulder pads and these are in accent colors and extra.
The belts can be added or removed quickly and Randy says it is possible to use them for daily driving- they are not uncomfortable. But they do limit the use of the rear seat to just cargo I think.
Maybe I can wear my helmet all the time as well.

 

As always, thank you, Mark! I will contact SoloRacer and find out what their advice is and if he has pads available if that is what is recomended. I'll post what I find when I get my harness and test it out.

Looking forward to track time,
Tracy

 

In a high speed collision there is some 'give' in any belt. That
is the reason rollcages should be ~ 2" above the top of your head.
Hopefully, with that amount of 'give', you really don't need to worry
about it the belts 'compressing your spine.' Hopefully.

 

>>Gabe- looking forward to your evaluation.

We have them in the TEAM MCO car and they are great. To run them properly you should route them through the headrest as that will prevent them from slipping over your shoulders. The one problem I've noticed is that this arrangement tends to put pressure on your neck when using stock seats. In our car, with the Corbeau's the headrest has knock outs for the belts and therefore remove any potential belt pressure on the neck.

As for installation and use, the Rallye 4 ASM can't be beat in the MINI. They definitely keep you firmly planted in the seat and you don't have to brace yourself. For any type of autocross or track use I can't imagine not having them. The great thing is that they quick release in and out of the car so you don't have to sacrifice any rear seat access when you need it. For everyday driving I personally don't use them as when you really strapped in its difficult to turn enough to see where you are backing.

Mark

 

I have them in my car, and I am happy with them. With the Sparco's the seat will help avoid the issue of compression and they do just come in and out quickly, although I tend to use them even daily. ( More Fun !! )

 

Wow nice front seats and belts, nice roll cage but isn't a little hard to get into the rear seat for a ride?
Well maybe when racing, three or more is a crowd.

 

Well, I dont ever use the rear to haul people but you can still fold down seats to haul stuff in the back. IF you wanted to haul a child back there, the horizontal bar and diagnal bar un bolt and come right out in just a few minutes. Same for the harnessess too. Very comfortable, and snug fitting for the corners .........

 

Schroth has a Rallye 4asm belt that doesn't "clip" into the stock MINI mounting points. I have seen pics of it mounted to the large Torx bolts behind the rear back seat. I have seen these belts on sites for about $150 vs. $225 for the "MINI" version. Is anyone using this other style? I realize that it is not as convenient because they don't snap in and out but buying two saves $150.

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>>Schroth has a Rallye 4asm belt that doesn't "clip" into the stock MINI mounting points. I have seen pics of it mounted to the large Torx bolts behind the rear back seat. I have seen these belts on sites for about $150 vs. $225 for the "MINI" version. Is anyone using this other style? I realize that it is not as convenient because they don't snap in and out but buying two saves $150.
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Can you tell us where we can see this set up? I'd be interested in saving a few bucks for convinience. I'd prefer to use mine full time and forget the rear passenger thingy


Noticed that you have the same color as mine. What do you think of mine?
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>>As always, thank you, Mark! I will contact SoloRacer and find out what their advice is and if he has pads available if that is what is recomended. I'll post what I find when I get my harness and test it out.
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>>Looking forward to track time,
>> Tracy

I have the MINI specific belts for both sides on my car. My wife has not complained about the fit over the chest, but complained about them cutting into her shoulders. I got a set of the pads for the passenger side and she says they are much more comfortable now.

SoloRacer is very helpful. They also carry the $150 version of the belts on their website, with pictures. Basically, they do away with the quick connects to the existing belts. I would think they would also mean the seat airbags would not be activated in the event of a collision. Somewhere I read their activation is linked to the belts being hooked up.
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Below is the link that I found searching Google on the subject of Schroth Harness MINI

http://omor.com/mini/schroth.pdf

What I have heard people do is run the factory three point belt behind the seat and clip it into the belt clip so the air bags stay active. They were using the harness for track events only. This is what I would use them for as well.

 

>>...I'll post what I find when I get my harness and test it out.
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>>Looking forward to track time,
>> Tracy

Well, I'm 6 months late in remembering to post back, but here goes anyways. After several track events and another coming up this full weekend, my harness is the first thing I pack. I think a harness (whichever brand you prefer) is must for anyone serious about track events! I love my Schroth Rallye 4 harness from SoloRacer and get a lot of use out of it. Works wonders on the canyon roads as well. I find it perfectly comfortable for the ladies, just get the shoulder strap pads so it doesn't cut into your neck. Viola.

Tracy