Ok. So I am looking at getting this harness bar.




Now, as far as harnesses go, how do they install? I can see the loops going around the bar, but I don't know where the other points on the harness get attached. Can anyone here with 4 or more point harnesses shed some light?
Thanks in advance!

 

This might shed some light...also PM him, he will help out a lot

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=115114

 

Thank you very much!

 

i think, i don't know where i saw it, but i think the harness bar must sit below the shoulder level, as such, that it presses you down onto the seat, somethin like the above seems to be sitting above your shoulder which is a big no no

 

I was thinking the same thing!

 

I think that you actually want to try and get the harness bar level with your shoulders. This will exert the force horizontal to you if in an accident right? If it is below you it can pull down and cause injury can't it? Not 100% sure, but I think I remember reading that that is how it works. Please correct me if I am wrong though, if you know.

 

its below or level... i can't remember, but i know it cannot be above your shoulders

 

Its supposed to be below and further back. That will allow for flexing without providing complete slack and support. The pictured above provides no real support for the harness at all. In an accident, the ratchet unit on the stock will give and the seat top will go back. So while the airbag will save your life, your skull will be bashed by the tube as you come back from the force, you also stand the chance of snapping your neck and so on ........

 

I think th OP would be better to take a good look at the Schroth 4 point harness. Best of both worlds. Keeps you planted and maintains the anti-submarine benefits of the stock belt. No other 4 point system will do this. You will have the possibility of sliding out from under those belts in a front end collision.

 

hmmm. Disappointing info about it needing to be lower. But, better that I know.

 

I remember one exactly like this except it was the proper height...Hmm, I will try and find it...
Also, there is one that bolts in and temporarily replaces the rear seat bottom. It is like $400 also....Brey Krause maybe...

 

Here is the Brey Krause...it varies in prices, I have seen it for $400-$500+, sometimes $600.
http://www.bkauto.com/mini/r1305.php

This page has some options. Check out the AutoPower Street-Sport Roll Bar. Its is a good alternative to the one you first listed and the Brey Krause. I would defenitley go with the AutoPower or the Brey Krause....I think you should ditch the first option...IMHO
http://www.livermoreperformance.com/...html#autopower


BTW The AutoPower adds in a roll bar, just something to think about...

 

that's the one, but is it 400? last time i checked the autopowre rollbar is cheaper than the harness bar

 

Yeah the prices that I just found are mainly $550+++ for the Brey Krause.
The AutoPower is cheaper and I am not trying to speculate, but I would think safer. Plus you get the roll bar, instead of just harness mounts.

 

Thanks a lot for the info! It is greatly appreciated!
The problem that I was trying to get around was that I no longer have my back seats, and in their place, is a stereo setup. (I attached a pic)(pic is old, I now have a rear strut brace in)
I was trying to figure out a way around a roll cage/bar only because I wouldn't be able to install it without ditching the stereo setup. Well, maybe I'll give some racing seats a try. I just love being held completely in place while driving. For now, my CG lock will have to do.

 

Nice set up. So is it impossible to get the Autopower in there?

Also, you could think about having an "adapter" made to lower the bar in the first option you posed...This may work well if done correctly, safety is a must.

 

Hate to say it but this is a death trap bar. DO NOT GET IT. It will not properly work. Harness bars must be level to the shoulder or lower and significantly behind. To high & it will let you fly around the car. To low & it will crush your spine. This setup also does not have any way to keep the straps from moving horizontally. So they could just plain slip off your shoulders.

Stick with the Schroth or talk to a real race shop about having a hoop with a harness bar built.

Good luck & let us all know how it goes!

 

That Harness bar may hurt you in the event of an incident. Unless you are tall enough for the belts to be even with your shoulders or slightly below there are potential issues. Also note in the picture how the belt goes on the outside of the headrest. You would want to thread them through the headrest supports to prevent them slipping off your shoulder. Ideally with a harness you should have a race seat with pass throughs.

I'm all for being safe, but do it properly or it can be a bigger hazard.

See http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/Co...structions.pdf

The Schroth guide is incredibly detailed.

 

Cages, harnesses and harness bars are options that take "street" into "track" territory. Safety equipment must work in harmony with itself, and what works on the track (or worse, just LOOKS like it might work on the track) can be downright dangerous on the street, no matter HOW cool it looks.

Recognize also the hazard that cages and bars pose to unhelmeted passengers in front and back seats. If there were a backseat passenger in a car with a harnessbar, one strong brake application = head injury. Unhelmeted, unharnessed passengers in a car with a rollcage face the same risk. (yes, I noticed no back seat, but the point is still valid).

Please don't take this as a rant - it's not. I value your life and don't want to see injury for the sake of looks.

That said, it IS actually a great-looking harness bar, and I know a really good Motorer near me who has one. That guy did secure the harness against lateral motion, though.

 

Thanks for all the advice everyone!
I'll have to see about some different options. I don't think I'd get that autopower cage in there, because the bars would end up being exactly where my sub boxes are.
Maybe an adaptor plate could work, and I'd also have some slots welded onto that harness bar for the harness to slide through.
I shall have to explore some more options, and maybe see if there is a good shop around here that can maybe help me fab something up.

 

Isn't onasled near you? PM him to see if he has any suggestions or options to think about
Keep us updated.

 

Just remember to get a 5 or 6 point. Don't get a 4 point with the harness bar. Too dangerous.

 

I recently acquired Schroth harnesses and I had heard that there may be an issue with regard to spinal compression if a harness guide bar is not used in conjunction with them. I also acquired a Stable Energies Guidebar for that purpose but there appears to be an installation problem with that part. Given the position of the B posts in the MINI, the seats will not go back far enough to allow for entry into the car. I asked for an opinion from the supplier of the Schroth 4 point and this is what I got.

Spinal compression is always a concern, and there are a few things you can do to minimize this issue. Obviously the best scenario is to use a harness bar and the correct height, this will reduce the length of the belts and also give you the correct downward angle of about 10 degrees. Since this is really only an option for race cars, something better had to be done.

All of our street/tuner belts are designed to be used in conjunction with factory seats. To do this, we need to test the seat back to make sure it is structural rigid enough to handle the shoulder belts going downward at about a 45 degree angle. Any more than this, and you will have issues because the seat back simply can’t take that kind of load.[/FONT]

The belts and the seats in your car have both been tested and passed. There a number of things that can also contribute to spinal compression being an issue, the drivers height being the first. If you have a really long upper torso and your shoulders are significantly higher than the back of the seat, this could be an issue.

The end is result is still the same, you are much better off with these belts than with your factory 3 point system. I hope this info helps you.

I have not found a suitable guidebar to this point that will allow for seat ravel and the picture in the post seems to have the same issue.

 

The Schroth 4 point Quick-fit harness is designed to be used in the MINI w/o the use of a harness bar. As was stated in the email you get from them.

Not sure why you would need a harness bar.

 

Unless this is a Schroth 4 point and NOT the Quick-fit type then you want a harness bar. However, You really don't want a 4 point unless it is the Quick-fit