Engine Carbon Buildup Problem census count
#451
Okay, just performed 40,000 mile service on my 2009 Mini Cooper S Hardtop (odometer approx. = 39,990mi).
Dealer performed: 30-point inspection; brake inspection, etc.,...
Performed: oil change; replaced/installed new battery, programmed; replaced/installed spark plugs.
$710.00USD total.
I requested to examine for excessive carbon build-up, and return original spark plugs to me for inspection.
Upon completion of service the service manager relayed communication from technician that (he expressed) everything looks good, no significant carbon build-up (not sure if he was only just peering through spark plug mounting holes?). And that he thought spark plugs look good, considering miles. Although I do notice what seems to be a layer of carbon build-up on face of bottom of spark plug threaded body portion (the small outer-ring portion that would face inward into combustion chamber)?
Dealer performed: 30-point inspection; brake inspection, etc.,...
Performed: oil change; replaced/installed new battery, programmed; replaced/installed spark plugs.
$710.00USD total.
I requested to examine for excessive carbon build-up, and return original spark plugs to me for inspection.
Upon completion of service the service manager relayed communication from technician that (he expressed) everything looks good, no significant carbon build-up (not sure if he was only just peering through spark plug mounting holes?). And that he thought spark plugs look good, considering miles. Although I do notice what seems to be a layer of carbon build-up on face of bottom of spark plug threaded body portion (the small outer-ring portion that would face inward into combustion chamber)?
#453
Burned Exhaust Valve
The carbon build up issue is an obvious problem. While I am not sure how to eliminate this issue other than use Top Tier gasoline and perform a chemical induction service by inducing cleaner through the intake periodically.
My mini has burned a 2nd exhaust valve within 10k. Both times just after a heavy acceleration. The first time I removed the head, I had the valve replaced and head machined but did not completely clean the piston surface. Now that this has occurred a second time on a different cylinder, I have concluded that the carbon build up on the intake side if present will chip off and during its way out lodges in the valve seat of the exhaust valve causing it to stick open slightly. After consecutive combustion burns the valve like a torch.
Walnut blasting and top engine cleans are paramount after 50k. dont forget to drive hard every chance you get
2009 Mini Cooper Clubman S. 120k A.S.E Master Technician
My mini has burned a 2nd exhaust valve within 10k. Both times just after a heavy acceleration. The first time I removed the head, I had the valve replaced and head machined but did not completely clean the piston surface. Now that this has occurred a second time on a different cylinder, I have concluded that the carbon build up on the intake side if present will chip off and during its way out lodges in the valve seat of the exhaust valve causing it to stick open slightly. After consecutive combustion burns the valve like a torch.
Walnut blasting and top engine cleans are paramount after 50k. dont forget to drive hard every chance you get
2009 Mini Cooper Clubman S. 120k A.S.E Master Technician
Last edited by Rashawn Woodgett; 02-01-2016 at 04:51 AM. Reason: title addition
#455
Short starts and stops / not driving for long periods I found increases the build up more. We had a bunch of people with short trips complaining of quicker carbon build ups.
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#456
The carbon build up issue is an obvious problem. While I am not sure how to eliminate this issue other than use Top Tier gasoline and perform a chemical induction service by inducing cleaner through the intake periodically.
My mini has burned a 2nd exhaust valve within 10k. Both times just after a heavy acceleration.
Walnut blasting and top engine cleans are paramount after 50k. dont forget to drive hard every chance you get
2009 Mini Cooper Clubman S. 120k A.S.E Master Technician
My mini has burned a 2nd exhaust valve within 10k. Both times just after a heavy acceleration.
Walnut blasting and top engine cleans are paramount after 50k. dont forget to drive hard every chance you get
2009 Mini Cooper Clubman S. 120k A.S.E Master Technician
my 2009 Mini HardTop Coupe-S (with just over 40K miles) has, all along, frequently had to be topped-off with oil, just about everytime I had oil checked.
Looks like I'll have to inquire about walnut blasting next time I'm doing service
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#459
clubman S
It used to burn oil prior to replacing the valve seals. White smoke after idle. We purchased it used and suspect previous owner used less than adequate gasoline and never cleaned the system, The direct injection seems to be the issue. Although walnut blasting does not clean tops of the pistons.
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#461
It used to burn oil prior to replacing the valve seals. White smoke after idle. We purchased it used and suspect previous owner used less than adequate gasoline and never cleaned the system, The direct injection seems to be the issue. Although walnut blasting does not clean tops of the pistons.
All of this and more is in our carbon clean up DIY, which is the method used before walnut blasting was introduced. It's on our site here: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...n_Cleaning.htm
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Last edited by PelicanParts.com; 01-23-2017 at 09:10 AM.
#462
Just about every 50,000 miles the intake valves need to be cleaned to maintain optimum engine performance. Once the build-up reaches the maximum tolerable level, the engine will begin to run rough and misfire. You may have a rough idle, poor acceleration, stalling or single to multiple cylinder misfires.
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#464
oh, sorry to hear that, i did not know. My brother was in a wheelchair for a long time after his illness. The MINI was easy to get him in and out of in the front seat. Wheel chair went in the back over the rear seats folded up. Used to take him to the hospital allot in the MINI.
Whats you can do then is get a good mechanic ( indy shop ) and they should be able to do this for you , if they have done the BMW carbon blasting they can do the MINI one.
Let me know if you need anything else.
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#465
2012 Countryman S All4
Mileage: ~51K
In shop right now for flush, clean, and reset of computer system due to carbon buildup. $130-ish for clean, $140-ish for system reset.
Also an (I've been told minor) oil leak but that should be unrelated.
There seem to be a lot of posts in this thread, but a huge range of years and models.
Never had this problem on my 2006 Cooper hardtop. But I don't think I'd cleared 50K miles by the time I traded it in.
In shop right now for flush, clean, and reset of computer system due to carbon buildup. $130-ish for clean, $140-ish for system reset.
Also an (I've been told minor) oil leak but that should be unrelated.
There seem to be a lot of posts in this thread, but a huge range of years and models.
Never had this problem on my 2006 Cooper hardtop. But I don't think I'd cleared 50K miles by the time I traded it in.
#466
Mileage: ~51K
In shop right now for flush, clean, and reset of computer system due to carbon buildup. $130-ish for clean, $140-ish for system reset.
Also an (I've been told minor) oil leak but that should be unrelated.
There seem to be a lot of posts in this thread, but a huge range of years and models.
Never had this problem on my 2006 Cooper hardtop. But I don't think I'd cleared 50K miles by the time I traded it in.
In shop right now for flush, clean, and reset of computer system due to carbon buildup. $130-ish for clean, $140-ish for system reset.
Also an (I've been told minor) oil leak but that should be unrelated.
There seem to be a lot of posts in this thread, but a huge range of years and models.
Never had this problem on my 2006 Cooper hardtop. But I don't think I'd cleared 50K miles by the time I traded it in.
More info here: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...n_Cleaning.htm
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#468
2010 MCS. Did a DIY cleaning of the valves, at almost 55k miles, after misfiring/rough idle (no codes). I walnut-shell blasted and scrubbed them to bare metal. These pics show my valves less than 3000 miles after that. I've since installed two catch cans and will check the valves again this spring. Not sure why some of the valves look 'wet'; is this "normal"?
Another benefit of installing the catch cans: after replacing the pcv hose and plastic vent hose with rubber hoses + clamps, there is no longer the fresh oil/gas smell at the tail end of my 20-mile freeway commute when encountering stop/go traffic in the city. It seems that over time, the oem hoses don't keep their seal and allow fumes to get past their connections. Lived with that issue for 3 years and it's finally gone!
Another benefit of installing the catch cans: after replacing the pcv hose and plastic vent hose with rubber hoses + clamps, there is no longer the fresh oil/gas smell at the tail end of my 20-mile freeway commute when encountering stop/go traffic in the city. It seems that over time, the oem hoses don't keep their seal and allow fumes to get past their connections. Lived with that issue for 3 years and it's finally gone!
#469
Much better. Looks like its the heat or the baking of the carbon on the valve, must be hotter in places.
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#470
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#471
2008 r56 s
78000 car miles. 20000 miles new engine. I'm 3rd owner. Change oil every 3000 miles. No oil leakage or real consumption. 400 to clean because other work is being done, otherwise quoted 1200 if I do it later.
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#473
Indy vs Dealer Pricing
I recently priced a repair between the two in south bay LA and the dealer was 200 higher. Not wildly different, but enough to count. I tend to do larger repairs where there could be warranty implications or class action results through a dealer so you're covered...
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#474
2010 MCS Convertible 42K miles
I was getting a rough idle and jerky acceleration before the engine cut out on me at a stoplight. The engine light came on afterward. I only use premium gas and regularly drive it over an hour on the highway each way about 2 days a week. 80ish mph. Other than that, not much highway driving.
The dealership says it's carbon buildup and is charging $754 for a walnut blast.
I was getting a rough idle and jerky acceleration before the engine cut out on me at a stoplight. The engine light came on afterward. I only use premium gas and regularly drive it over an hour on the highway each way about 2 days a week. 80ish mph. Other than that, not much highway driving.
The dealership says it's carbon buildup and is charging $754 for a walnut blast.
#475
11 JCW w/ 45K miles
My car is at the dealer for a timing chain and they reported that it had carbon build up. I mentioned that I haven't lost any performance and it definitely is not sluggish. He recommended the carbon cleaning based on a code. I'm going to wait until it affects the performance due to the high cost of the cleaning...roughly $900. It is not covered by the maintenance nor the extended warranty.