Changing Mini's AGAIN
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Changing Mini's AGAIN
Well about 2 months ago we sold my wife's '05 R53 and bought a new Countryman ALL4.
Monday, I sold my '05 R53, and Saturday I am picking up this little guy from out of state. I had fully intended on shipping it, but the seller didn't trust the idea of wiring money for purchase (Strange I know). He did however knock off a few hundred bucks for me having to fly out and spend a day driving it back. Should be a very very long ride, but I have done the same in worse cars on the fly.
Driving through Yellowstone on the way back. I am thinking I should be able to get some good "Candid" shots for the photo contest too
Monday, I sold my '05 R53, and Saturday I am picking up this little guy from out of state. I had fully intended on shipping it, but the seller didn't trust the idea of wiring money for purchase (Strange I know). He did however knock off a few hundred bucks for me having to fly out and spend a day driving it back. Should be a very very long ride, but I have done the same in worse cars on the fly.
Driving through Yellowstone on the way back. I am thinking I should be able to get some good "Candid" shots for the photo contest too
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From: Sarasota, FL
Originally Posted by craigslist
How to recognize a vehicle scam attempt on CL:
Shipping a vehicle to you is suggested by seller
eBay Motors or another intermediary is specified by seller
Payment by Western Union or a money wire is requested
Price is unusually low (fraction of blue book value)
If you see these tell-tale signs, flag ad as "prohibited" and avoid
Offers to ship a vehicle are virtually 100% fraudulent
eBay has no involvment in craigslist for sale ads, and any eBay or similar emails or web pages you receive are fake
Never use Western Union or wire transfer to pay for goods - only a scammer will ask for this, and any funds sent will be lost
Do not buy vehicles site-unseen, regardless of low price. The vehicle does not exist, and any money you send will be lost.
Stories about divorcees or departing servicemen needing to sell quickly at a low price are generally fraudulent
If a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
More information is available for avoiding scams
Shipping a vehicle to you is suggested by seller
eBay Motors or another intermediary is specified by seller
Payment by Western Union or a money wire is requested
Price is unusually low (fraction of blue book value)
If you see these tell-tale signs, flag ad as "prohibited" and avoid
Offers to ship a vehicle are virtually 100% fraudulent
eBay has no involvment in craigslist for sale ads, and any eBay or similar emails or web pages you receive are fake
Never use Western Union or wire transfer to pay for goods - only a scammer will ask for this, and any funds sent will be lost
Do not buy vehicles site-unseen, regardless of low price. The vehicle does not exist, and any money you send will be lost.
Stories about divorcees or departing servicemen needing to sell quickly at a low price are generally fraudulent
If a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
More information is available for avoiding scams
Not implying that you're a scammer of course, but this is why the person on the other end may be kinda freaked by the wire transfer offer.
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Well, to go into more detail:
I contacted him like 3 months ago about the car. He was going out of the country so I told him to let me know when he would be back.
Since then I totally forgot about him and the car. Sunday I was going to start looking for something to drive and as I started looking he texted me asking if I was still interested. I thought it seemed highly coincidental, but expressed interest. We talked price and condition/ pictures for a few days and I made him an offer which he accepted.
I told him I would be more than happy to wire him money in advance to his bank account and that I would be more than happy to wait until the funds cleared. He said he would rather do Western Union (Which for me is much much more risky than a wire transfer).
I then offered to paypal and split the fees with him (1.5% each). He told me that he was worried I would reverse the charges and say the car never came (this is virtually impossible to do as both parties receive a receipt of departure and arrival for vehicles). He was still reluctant and said he would rather not sell it at all.
So now I have to fly up there.
Honestly wiring to a bank account is a very secure method. I have done it many times in the past. Craigslist is the biggest car lot dump garage sale around though and they have to post about every warning possible. heck I have even received a wire transfer for a car I built from a rally team in Finland.
People are naive that have no experience. There are ways to protect yourself and I walked him through them.
I even offered a signed contract (more for my benefit than his).
It is much easier to be hosed being the purchasing party than the seller too.
I guess that if you are contacting someone out of state and selling a 40yr old car, you should have the understanding that they may not want to drive the car 12 hours across state lines etc.
I contacted him like 3 months ago about the car. He was going out of the country so I told him to let me know when he would be back.
Since then I totally forgot about him and the car. Sunday I was going to start looking for something to drive and as I started looking he texted me asking if I was still interested. I thought it seemed highly coincidental, but expressed interest. We talked price and condition/ pictures for a few days and I made him an offer which he accepted.
I told him I would be more than happy to wire him money in advance to his bank account and that I would be more than happy to wait until the funds cleared. He said he would rather do Western Union (Which for me is much much more risky than a wire transfer).
I then offered to paypal and split the fees with him (1.5% each). He told me that he was worried I would reverse the charges and say the car never came (this is virtually impossible to do as both parties receive a receipt of departure and arrival for vehicles). He was still reluctant and said he would rather not sell it at all.
So now I have to fly up there.
Honestly wiring to a bank account is a very secure method. I have done it many times in the past. Craigslist is the biggest car lot dump garage sale around though and they have to post about every warning possible. heck I have even received a wire transfer for a car I built from a rally team in Finland.
People are naive that have no experience. There are ways to protect yourself and I walked him through them.
I even offered a signed contract (more for my benefit than his).
It is much easier to be hosed being the purchasing party than the seller too.
I guess that if you are contacting someone out of state and selling a 40yr old car, you should have the understanding that they may not want to drive the car 12 hours across state lines etc.
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^Thanks. I think this car may end up BRG one day as well.
I just got this invoice from work done last June for the sake of records/reports.
Makes me feel good knowing this was all just done less than a year ago since I am driving so far to bring it home!
WORK CARRIED OUT
TOTAL
Recover vehicle from Lakenheath base. Tune up/no start. Check plugs, points, condensor,
cap, rotor, air filter etc. Change points and condensor. Clean plugs. Set timing and mixture.
page 2 of 4
No drive. Check clutch - worn. Fit replacement clutch. Still no drive. Recommend engine
removal, drive diagnosis and report. Pull engine and transmission. Remove speedo housing
and inspect. Gearbox mainshaft broken, diff pinion off shaft. Recommend replacement
gearbox. Remove engine and gearbox, teardown, fit replacement used gearbox using new
seals and gaskets. Reinstall new clutch. Remove cylinder head. Fit unleaded converted head,
using new gaskets and seals. Torque head and adjust valve clearances. Change engine oil
and filter. Fill coolant and test - all O.K.
Fit front discs brake assemblies. Modify front wings for clearance. Fit rear hubs and drums.
Bleed and adjust. Test - all O.K.
Sheet1
Brake repairs 4.5 hours labour @ £40.00 per hour
Engine and gearbox repairs 15.5 hours labour @ £40.00 per hour.
PARTS / MATERIALS
PART NUMBER
£180.00
£620.00
DESCRIPTION
Recovery
4.8 - 16 screws
Connector
Coolant
Engine oil
Oil filter
Head gasket set
Conversion gasket set
Diff seals
Clutch oil seals
page 3 of 4
PRICE
£40.00
£0.20
£0.25
£3.50
£3.00
£3.34
£8.50
£7.50
£1.50
£2.36
QTY
1.00
5.00
1.00
4.00
5.00
1.00
1.00
1.00
2.00
1.00
TOTAL
£40.00
£1.00
£0.25
£14.00
£15.00
£3.34
£8.50
£7.50
£3.00
£2.36
Gear change oil seals
Gearbox (used)
Cylinder head
Clutch
Points
Condensor
Taper washer
Split pins
Front and rear brake set up
Brake fluid
Screws
Screws
Crankshaft bolt
Crankshaft washer
Sheet1
£1.50 1.00
£100.00 1.00
£140.00 1.00
£44.00 1.00
£2.00 1.00
£2.25 1.00
£2.95 1.00
£0.15 2.00
£150.00 1.00
£4.50 1.50
£0.10 10.00
£0.20 8.00
£9.95 1.00
£2.67 1.00
£1.50
£100.00
£140.00
£44.00
£2.00
£2.25
£2.95
£0.30
£150.00
£6.75
£1.00
£1.60
£9.95
£2.67
LABOUR: £800.00
PARTS: £559.92
MOT: £0.00
VAT: £0.00
TOTAL: £1,359.92
I just got this invoice from work done last June for the sake of records/reports.
Makes me feel good knowing this was all just done less than a year ago since I am driving so far to bring it home!
WORK CARRIED OUT
TOTAL
Recover vehicle from Lakenheath base. Tune up/no start. Check plugs, points, condensor,
cap, rotor, air filter etc. Change points and condensor. Clean plugs. Set timing and mixture.
page 2 of 4
No drive. Check clutch - worn. Fit replacement clutch. Still no drive. Recommend engine
removal, drive diagnosis and report. Pull engine and transmission. Remove speedo housing
and inspect. Gearbox mainshaft broken, diff pinion off shaft. Recommend replacement
gearbox. Remove engine and gearbox, teardown, fit replacement used gearbox using new
seals and gaskets. Reinstall new clutch. Remove cylinder head. Fit unleaded converted head,
using new gaskets and seals. Torque head and adjust valve clearances. Change engine oil
and filter. Fill coolant and test - all O.K.
Fit front discs brake assemblies. Modify front wings for clearance. Fit rear hubs and drums.
Bleed and adjust. Test - all O.K.
Sheet1
Brake repairs 4.5 hours labour @ £40.00 per hour
Engine and gearbox repairs 15.5 hours labour @ £40.00 per hour.
PARTS / MATERIALS
PART NUMBER
£180.00
£620.00
DESCRIPTION
Recovery
4.8 - 16 screws
Connector
Coolant
Engine oil
Oil filter
Head gasket set
Conversion gasket set
Diff seals
Clutch oil seals
page 3 of 4
PRICE
£40.00
£0.20
£0.25
£3.50
£3.00
£3.34
£8.50
£7.50
£1.50
£2.36
QTY
1.00
5.00
1.00
4.00
5.00
1.00
1.00
1.00
2.00
1.00
TOTAL
£40.00
£1.00
£0.25
£14.00
£15.00
£3.34
£8.50
£7.50
£3.00
£2.36
Gear change oil seals
Gearbox (used)
Cylinder head
Clutch
Points
Condensor
Taper washer
Split pins
Front and rear brake set up
Brake fluid
Screws
Screws
Crankshaft bolt
Crankshaft washer
Sheet1
£1.50 1.00
£100.00 1.00
£140.00 1.00
£44.00 1.00
£2.00 1.00
£2.25 1.00
£2.95 1.00
£0.15 2.00
£150.00 1.00
£4.50 1.50
£0.10 10.00
£0.20 8.00
£9.95 1.00
£2.67 1.00
£1.50
£100.00
£140.00
£44.00
£2.00
£2.25
£2.95
£0.30
£150.00
£6.75
£1.00
£1.60
£9.95
£2.67
LABOUR: £800.00
PARTS: £559.92
MOT: £0.00
VAT: £0.00
TOTAL: £1,359.92
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ok a few more pics. Notice the only rust reported being those half dollar sized patches behind the front wheels. I wont know how bad it is until I get it here though. Car has only been in the states a year.
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Exactly, for all you know all this guys has is pics. Hope you are not paying for it until you have seen and touched it.
I "won" a street rod on eBay, flew from Seattle to Chicago to drive it home much like your adventure. At least you can see feedback on eBay, but you never know if the seller's silk purse is a sow's ear to you. Did not send any money up front, brought a cashier's check. Figured if it broke down, I would rent a truck and trailer to get it home. Well that never happened, the condition was so far from what I expected, I literally walked away from the deal. And we had landed there with one-way tickets! Stayed the night, toured Chicago with my Son and flew out the next day.
Then, I turn around buy another street rod off eBay and had it shipped coast-to-coast sight-unseen. The condition when arrived was less than expected again (go figure), nothing huge just pits in the chrome and a wow (dent) across the back that were not disclosed. Asked for a partial refund for the amount to fix those things and that's when the seller got lost, (go figure). Did have fun with it for 4 years defects and all. Then sold it on eBay and off it went again coast-to-coast. That buyer was not 100% happy either, he said it needed suspension work, something I never realized.
So let the buyer beware........
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