Some opinions are so extreme and non-factual that they become comical, rediculous...and generally non-credible.

 

Are you referring to slag1911's claims of piston-slap?



Not sure if that's piston slap, but sure don't sound good. Wasn't aware of this issue, but there is a 27 page thread about it on the Mini2 forums. Anyone here experienced this?

 

Sadly, the list has become too long for me to care about.

 

What's the name of that river in Egypt again? Oh yeah... "denial" ... but seriously...

JCWGrover... glad I was able to bring awareness to the "slapper" issue... it really is a serious issue that won't just go away with wishful thinking. Another serious R56 issue is bonnet temperatures, which can be hot enough to literally melt the fake hood scoop...




But on the lighter side... there is one small benefit to the extreme bonnet temperatures:

 

So...you've been there?

 

Translation: "Yes, I am a troll and thoroughly enjoy stirring the pot."

 

Yep... the R56 is just swell. There really isn't any piston slap... it's really a design feature of the injectors or something... and I made up all that stuff about the bonnet temps melting the fake hood scoop. Oh did I say fake hood scoop? That's right... the fully functional hood scoop that... feeds air to the.. umm... to the.. ummm... to the engine or something.

 

Hey slag, just out of curiosity, do you have any personal experience with extended time behind the wheel of the R53 and the R56?

Sorry if this has already been asked, I stopped reading after page 3 and just click to see where the thread had gone. Didn't feel like reading all of it.

 

Yeah... good friend has one... and yeah... it's a slapper...

 

piston slap? injectors are noisy but no slap here.

 

Hey Slag,

Do you still own a MINI or was the 2006 JCW with 3K miles you sold in December your only one?

 

That is a nice piece of equipment.

 

The car sounds like a farm tractor. Minis are not supposed to sound like that.

 

First off I have a R-53 and have no thought of going to a R-56 but not for any of the reasons you are harping on . You keep talking about the Prince engine being dumped in 5 years . There wasn't that much whining when the R-53 power plant was scrapped after almost the same time period why is it such a big deal now . As for the Tritec having the ability to be heavily modded it needs to be to keep up with that damn Prince. You will need a good head, exhaust , CAI and tuning to be even with a stock one .If they add a $600 unichip you won't have a shot at all. You are on such a mission to put the R-56 down one would think you may have tried to keep up with one and didn't make out that well. That is if you actually do have a Mini , Do you ? You keep mentioning that a few have gone from a R-56 to a R - 53. Have you compared that number to those that have gone from a R-53 to R -56 ?

 

Do we really need to start bringing up ALL of the issues that the earlier generations of the Mini had just to combat your FUD? You do realize the list is longer and more robust? Give it a rest.

 

If you'd ever actually read a post (or even looked at my sig picture) instead of just trying to stir the pot, you'd have noticed that I own an R53 and an R50.

And you'd have noticed that the R53 has also had its fair share of bad reviews.

So, yeah, you are a troll, only one with poor reading comprehension.

 

I would have said selective reading comprehension. It's actually quite good but only for very selective points.

 

Nothing to counter my valid observations... so let's play the troll card...

 

You mean other than trackster's and other's valid observations?

 

Which observations? The length of service time of each engine? Already shown that they will have the same service time. You chose not to respond once that was pointed out.

Design compromises in the sake of cost/appeal to wider audience/profit? I think WAY back in this thread it was made pretty clear why some of the design changes were made, and also that it is pretty important for the company to make money so that they can continue to build cars. And the fact that they'd be stupid to design a car that was difficult to manufacture.

Magazine reviews/comparos? Already shown that both cars have finished 3rd in comparos (actually, the 2006 R53 was 3rd of 3, while the 07 was 3rd of 4. At least it beat somthing!) Again, you chose not to respond once it was pointed out.

R56 engine source? Already shown that the Prince is at least built by MINI, not in south america. You've chosen not to respond.

Actual comparison of the engines in a relative sense? The Prince wins on emmissions, efficiency, power, torque, and weight. The tritec wins on sound. The jury is still out on longevity and mod-ability. You've chosen not to respond to the question of why wouldn't a 'driver's car' have the more powerful engine.

Engine collaboration? As I've explained, this is normal business practice. You've chosen not to respond.

So what do you have left? A few people that rate steering feel and engine note over actual performance (which I don't have a problem with, that is their preference) so they go back to the R53. A few early engine troubles with the R56. Interestingly there were a few early engine troubles with the Tritec as well. Seems about a wash.

All you've done is move from one false or (at the best) misleading statement to another to try make a point. Each time, it has been pointed out that you are incorrect/twisting reality to match your argument. This started out talking about which car was a 'driver's car'. Now the "The R56 isn't a real MINI" crowd has had to move on to "the engine is no good".

Your contribution thus far has been 'French Fryer', "piston slap", and 'it's ugly'.

And you still haven't answered the questions people have asked about whether or not you have a MINI at all.

Based on all of this, yes, I can only conclude that you are a troll.

 

Agreed. What the hell is up with that car? If I started my car and it sounded like that, I would definitely freak out. A little.

 

Funny how slag1911 really gets some of you going...

 

Hey, don't give slag all the credit. I started the thread!

 

One's own opinions are valid only to one's own self. And that's fine! We have these forums to be able to express our opinions. I think, however, that it crosses the line when one's opinion is expressed in such a manner to try to cause others who have different opinions to start worrying about their investments. We all love our cars. No one should be here trying to tell another that he/she needs to be worried about his/her car. What's the point? You can find just as many lemons in the first series of first gens as you can find in the first series of the second gens. Let's move on, shall we?

Disclaimer: I'm not in any way saying that people shouldn't warn others about potential problems in their cars. That's the great part about forums like these. No longer do we need to rely on the uninformed opinions of local yokal mechanics or the informed [costly] opinions of the make's mechanics. However, blasting a car's reliability based on a handful of examples to try to make people who own that car worry is just ridiculous.

 

Sorry, I can't take credit for "French Fryer"... that was skiploder..

I also can't claim credit for "piston slap"... that was Peugeot..

As for "ugly"... just use your own eyes...