Helmets anyone?
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Helmets anyone?
I am pretty sure this is the wrong forum, but I wanted the widest audience possible. I and my better half are about to embark onto our first AutoX event. Helmets being a requirement, who uses what? What's a decent helmet for a decent price? Open or closed face? What is a requirement for a helmet? Is D.O.T. approved enough, or is there something else to look for? Oh yeah, do they come in sizes? I have a huge melon and don't like it squeezed.
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www.saferacer.com is where I'm going to get mine. I will get an open faced helmet, as I wear glasses.
Yes they do come in sizes. They tell you how to meassure also.
Hope this helps.
Yes they do come in sizes. They tell you how to meassure also.
Hope this helps.
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I am partial to Arai helmets. Check the link below
http://www.saferacer.com/argpsahe1.html
Also, make sure the helmet is Snell rated SA2005 so it has fire retardent lining which is required by many of the tracks.
http://www.saferacer.com/argpsahe1.html
Also, make sure the helmet is Snell rated SA2005 so it has fire retardent lining which is required by many of the tracks.
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Check out SoloRacer.com they have a lot of helmets.
The one I have is two years old. This is the updated version: G Force GF750 SA2005 certified and $150.
The SA standards are for automotive applications, has a rollbar impact test, and a flamability test.
The M standards are for motorcycle applictions, has no rollbar impact test, and no flamability test.
The one I have is two years old. This is the updated version: G Force GF750 SA2005 certified and $150.
The SA standards are for automotive applications, has a rollbar impact test, and a flamability test.
The M standards are for motorcycle applictions, has no rollbar impact test, and no flamability test.
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Originally Posted by Snappychip
I don't think you can beat an Arai, but watch out they aren't cheap but you get what you pay for.
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Now, dont't forget about us,
We have another business www.polepositionusa.com that sells all the racing equipment,
We are an authorized distributor for Arai Helmets.
Helmets are like shoes, some fit right, some do not fit at all.
For auto racing, you will need a Snell 2005 Helmet, that is the latest certification, these helmets start around 300 and go all the way to $1000.
Our best seller is the Arai GP5K $699
Now, for autocross you can use a motorcycle helmet, these are a lot cheaper.
But please for your safety, do not use a open face helmet, in case of a crash there is nothing there to protect your face.
Do not hesitate to contact us if you have any helmet questions
victor
We have another business www.polepositionusa.com that sells all the racing equipment,
We are an authorized distributor for Arai Helmets.
Helmets are like shoes, some fit right, some do not fit at all.
For auto racing, you will need a Snell 2005 Helmet, that is the latest certification, these helmets start around 300 and go all the way to $1000.
Our best seller is the Arai GP5K $699
Now, for autocross you can use a motorcycle helmet, these are a lot cheaper.
But please for your safety, do not use a open face helmet, in case of a crash there is nothing there to protect your face.
Do not hesitate to contact us if you have any helmet questions
victor
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From: San Antonio
Originally Posted by Mini Works
Our best seller is the Arai GP5K $699
Now, for autocross you can use a motorcycle helmet, these are a lot cheaper.
Check with your governing body some say M some say SA, then highspeed you'll likely want closed over the open, but ethier will work. Glasses shouldn't be an issue I and my instructor have almost always worn sunglasses under our shields. I can go to Sebring and do an HDPE with NASA and an M is fine but go to a local parking lot for autox and the SCCA says I need an SA. 2005 is going to get you the most for your money as most expire after ten years (a select few will let you run older but anyone with experiance hasn't recommended it). There are many suppliers out there, do what you can to test fit a helmet before buying cause if it don't fit right it ain't gonna do you any good. SAs can have narrower openings but some helmets are SA and DOT rated. Most Autocross will rent to give you an idea of what you're getting into but if you plan on being a regular it is worth it to buy.
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The open face vs closed helmet situation is one that can be debated (especially in the case of autocrossing). You are driving a car with an airbag, if it deploys into a closed face helmet, I've seen reports of it doing more injury than from an open faced helmet. In more 'pure' racing scenarios you may not have the airbag system any longer and the closed face makes more sense there.
The SCCA had this to say:
Some data to think about.
The SCCA had this to say:
DATE: November 16, 2004
FROM: National Staff
TO: All Participants
SUBJECT: Airbag Advisory
It has been brought to the attention of SCCA Technical Services that the use
of full-face or closed-face helmets while driving vehicles with active airbag
restraint systems may result in injuries in the event of a crash that deploys
the airbag. Because of the location of the steering wheel relative to a
driver’s position, the airbag axis is on a level with the driver’s chin. In a
crash with airbag deployment, contact with the chin area of a full-face
helmet can be so powerful “that the risk of fractures to the jaw cannot be
ruled out“ (Hubert Gramling, FIA Institute, FT3/AF, 18.5.1999). This applies
to vehicle that may be used in Solo, RallyCross, High Performance Car
Control Clinics, etc.
Therefore, it is highly recommended that full-face helmets not be used in
vehicles with functional airbag systems. Potentially more restrictive language
is currently being considered for 2005, which could appear in an early 2005
issue of FasTrack. If you have any questions, please contact the SCCA at
(800) 770-2055."
FROM: National Staff
TO: All Participants
SUBJECT: Airbag Advisory
It has been brought to the attention of SCCA Technical Services that the use
of full-face or closed-face helmets while driving vehicles with active airbag
restraint systems may result in injuries in the event of a crash that deploys
the airbag. Because of the location of the steering wheel relative to a
driver’s position, the airbag axis is on a level with the driver’s chin. In a
crash with airbag deployment, contact with the chin area of a full-face
helmet can be so powerful “that the risk of fractures to the jaw cannot be
ruled out“ (Hubert Gramling, FIA Institute, FT3/AF, 18.5.1999). This applies
to vehicle that may be used in Solo, RallyCross, High Performance Car
Control Clinics, etc.
Therefore, it is highly recommended that full-face helmets not be used in
vehicles with functional airbag systems. Potentially more restrictive language
is currently being considered for 2005, which could appear in an early 2005
issue of FasTrack. If you have any questions, please contact the SCCA at
(800) 770-2055."
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From: MA
A Few Observations
If you think that you'll just stay with AX then IMHO either an open face or full face should do. The helmet will have to be at least a Snell2000, the 2005's are in the stores now. Also for AX only you can wear a M (motorcyle helmet) I'd recommend against it. If you think that you'll "take to AX and then perhaps try some HPDE schools" (this gets VERY ADDICTING
) Get a full face S rated helmet.
Please do not buy a helmet on-line. Go to a motorsports shop in your area and try on different styles and makes. They all seem to fit differently. It's no fun having "your melon" pinched all day.
I am on my second Bell M3 Pro Series, I do wear glasses. On track I also wear a HANS device, but thats a topic for another day. Have fun out there
) Get a full face S rated helmet.Please do not buy a helmet on-line. Go to a motorsports shop in your area and try on different styles and makes. They all seem to fit differently. It's no fun having "your melon" pinched all day.
I am on my second Bell M3 Pro Series, I do wear glasses. On track I also wear a HANS device, but thats a topic for another day. Have fun out there
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From: Scottsdale, Arizona
For those of you who like the arai helmet but wear glasses or just want a bigger wider opening,
The just received a shipment of GP5W, list $799, PM for special pricing.
Pictures and info on our website www.polepositionusa.com
Thanks
Victor
The just received a shipment of GP5W, list $799, PM for special pricing.
Pictures and info on our website www.polepositionusa.com
Thanks
Victor
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From: Oregon, USA
I purchased this helmet last year for Auto-X and track days and really like it....http://www.coyotemotorsports.com/esh...22X_HELMET.htm
2nd Gear
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From: Royal Oak, MI
I have been autocrossing for a few years and my first helmet was a used M rated helmet. Next, I borrowed helmets from friends or rented helmets from the sponsor.
I just recently got an M2005 HJC helmet from a local motorcycle shop for around $70. I don't think this reflects the value of my head, just the size of my savings account.
I would suggest that you find out what the sponsors of the events you plan to attend require for helmets, and whether they rent them. Then, if you need/want to buy one, go some place to try on different styles and sizes to see what you like.
I like open face helmets better becuase they generally give a wider range of vision. Open face helmets also avoid the whole air bag issue.
I think if it comes down to it and something happens during an autocross where I need to have a helmet on to protect myself, I would probably be screwed no matter how much I had spent on the helmet.
I just recently got an M2005 HJC helmet from a local motorcycle shop for around $70. I don't think this reflects the value of my head, just the size of my savings account.
I would suggest that you find out what the sponsors of the events you plan to attend require for helmets, and whether they rent them. Then, if you need/want to buy one, go some place to try on different styles and sizes to see what you like.
I like open face helmets better becuase they generally give a wider range of vision. Open face helmets also avoid the whole air bag issue.
I think if it comes down to it and something happens during an autocross where I need to have a helmet on to protect myself, I would probably be screwed no matter how much I had spent on the helmet.
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From: Scottsdale, Arizona
This open face helmet issue with cars with airbags is new to me.
So I just read the SCCA 2006 SOLO RULEBOOK
Section 4.3 States
Helmets meeting the following standards must be worn at all times on course.
All helmets meeting the current or two immediately preceding SNELL Foundation Standards (SA, K or M)
SA- Auto Racing
K- Karting
M- Motorcycle
Regarding the following post
Quote
DATE: November 16, 2004
FROM: National Staff
TO: All Participants
SUBJECT: Airbag Advisory
It has been brought to the attention of SCCA Technical Services that the use
of full-face or closed-face helmets while driving vehicles with active airbag
restraint systems may result in injuries in the event of a crash that deploys
the airbag. Because of the location of the steering wheel relative to a
driver’s position, the airbag axis is on a level with the driver’s chin. In a
crash with airbag deployment, contact with the chin area of a full-face
helmet can be so powerful “that the risk of fractures to the jaw cannot be
ruled out“ (Hubert Gramling, FIA Institute, FT3/AF, 18.5.1999). This applies
to vehicle that may be used in Solo, RallyCross, High Performance Car
Control Clinics, etc.
Therefore, it is highly recommended that full-face helmets not be used in
vehicles with functional airbag systems. Potentially more restrictive language
is currently being considered for 2005, which could appear in an early 2005
issue of FasTrack. If you have any questions, please contact the SCCA at
(800) 770-2055."
As you can see this was DATED Nov 2004,
the article mention that rules could change for 05.
NOW we are in 06, if SCCA thought that this was still the case,
I am sure they would have changed their rulebook
Thank you
Victor
So I just read the SCCA 2006 SOLO RULEBOOK
Section 4.3 States
Helmets meeting the following standards must be worn at all times on course.
All helmets meeting the current or two immediately preceding SNELL Foundation Standards (SA, K or M)
SA- Auto Racing
K- Karting
M- Motorcycle
Regarding the following post
Quote
DATE: November 16, 2004
FROM: National Staff
TO: All Participants
SUBJECT: Airbag Advisory
It has been brought to the attention of SCCA Technical Services that the use
of full-face or closed-face helmets while driving vehicles with active airbag
restraint systems may result in injuries in the event of a crash that deploys
the airbag. Because of the location of the steering wheel relative to a
driver’s position, the airbag axis is on a level with the driver’s chin. In a
crash with airbag deployment, contact with the chin area of a full-face
helmet can be so powerful “that the risk of fractures to the jaw cannot be
ruled out“ (Hubert Gramling, FIA Institute, FT3/AF, 18.5.1999). This applies
to vehicle that may be used in Solo, RallyCross, High Performance Car
Control Clinics, etc.
Therefore, it is highly recommended that full-face helmets not be used in
vehicles with functional airbag systems. Potentially more restrictive language
is currently being considered for 2005, which could appear in an early 2005
issue of FasTrack. If you have any questions, please contact the SCCA at
(800) 770-2055."
As you can see this was DATED Nov 2004,
the article mention that rules could change for 05.
NOW we are in 06, if SCCA thought that this was still the case,
I am sure they would have changed their rulebook
Thank you
Victor
It was a big hyped up internet rumor. Can something happen if the airbag goes off, yes. But you take a similar chance everyday when you drive to work. Face it its a hazardous sport weather or not you like to admit it. Do what to can to prevent it, but know that you enter into this with an understanding of risk. This is why the first mod should always be tightening the nut behind the wheel.
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From: MA
Originally Posted by motor on
It was a big hyped up internet rumor. Can something happen if the airbag goes off, yes. But you take a similar chance everyday when you drive to work. Face it its a hazardous sport weather or not you like to admit it. Do what to can to prevent it, but know that you enter into this with an understanding of risk. This is why the first mod should always be tightening the nut behind the wheel.
The first mod I ever did (5 years ago) was to "tighten up the nut behind the wheel", and listen to what the instructors had to say. Even now, a bit more experienced after torqueing the wheels I torque myself to 94 ft/lbs before strapping in.
4th Gear
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From: Bay Area, CA
I agree, make sure you get to a place that you can try on your helmet. If you get to the Bay Area often, check out Wine Country Motorsports, its at Infineon. They can fit you. The open vs. closed debate is crap. That SCCA article was outdated before it was written. Ask the guy who took a lugnet to the face as it came through his windshield. Give yourself the protection you deserve.
I have a sparco and a Bell, Bell is more comfy, but its super heavy. Looking to get an Arai fitted for HANS, but I do mostly trackdays
I have a sparco and a Bell, Bell is more comfy, but its super heavy. Looking to get an Arai fitted for HANS, but I do mostly trackdays
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From: Scottsdale, Arizona
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I agree with Lobo. Go somewhere that has a lot of helmets in stock and try them on before you buy. They could be the same size but brand "A" will squeeze your cheeks and while brand "B" will feel just fine. I'd (and I did) put it on and walk around the store for at least 15 minutes to see if it's going to be too tight, loose, put your head to sleep, give you a headache...........
After finding the size and model you want, then go online and purchase if you like.
I personally use a One Industries full face MX helmet. It was around $400 but is very comphy and is also used when we go to the desert. Something about having my mug exposed to a bashing doesn't sit well with me and I can't afford to look any worse.........................
After finding the size and model you want, then go online and purchase if you like.
I personally use a One Industries full face MX helmet. It was around $400 but is very comphy and is also used when we go to the desert. Something about having my mug exposed to a bashing doesn't sit well with me and I can't afford to look any worse.........................