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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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Is that the quick dry cement that the TV announcers kept talking about?

Why did they do this to that curb ? That was stupid.

I feel a little sorry for Button now but not too sorry as my Ferrari bias was very satisfied

Can't wait until Indy
 
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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Anyone going to the pit lane walk-about tomorrow 8:00 - 12:00 Indy time?

I'll be there in my Schumi regalia, family in Renault blue.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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Scenes from the pit lane USGP 6/16/05

Wonderful access again.

Got Fernando Alonso's autograph and a chance to say hello and wish him luck (speaking Spanish helps).

Here are some early activities from pit lane:







 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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oh man... i'm so excited! this is my first F1 race of hopefully many...
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kurvhugr
From an article on formula1.com:

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The stewards were quick to investigate, and few in the paddock were surprised by their sanction - Montoya being black flagged. He drove in the following lap to retire before his visibly shocked mechanics."
Thanks. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that Derek Daly overreacted with talk of JPM being "screwed" without (a) knowing why he was being investigated or (b) knowing the rules of F1 once the reason was known. I try not to join in the CBS-bashing too much, but his commentary on the incident was absurd.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by letsmotor
This was a great race because of Ferrari Rubens has had a better year as a driver than Schumi I think with these drives from the back.
I agree entirely. Rubens has shown a lot of determination and skill this year. I had always thought of him as a decent driver in a great car just playing a role to get MSchu his championships, but he has shown himself to be a top driver this year. It's a shame he'll never get a chance to show what he is truly capable of. (Of course I think about 99% of the drivers on earth would settle for a long-term contract with the top F1 team in the world, even if they knew they'd never compete for the title)
 
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 03:25 PM
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Holy tire war!

Well, a new wrinkle in the tire war. We all either love or hate the broad "one set of tires per race" rule, but it's the other, related rules that compound the situation this weekend. Here's a snip from an article on f1central.net:
"Michelin have issued set up details, involving camber angles and tyre pressures, to all of their partner teams, but wish to fly in a new specification of tyre for the race tomorrow.

The FIA is unlikely to allow this on the grounds that it would contravene no fewer than four regulations: A different actual tyre; a different specification of tyre; more than the allowed number of sets per weekend and non-nomination of tyre prior to Saturday a.m."
And another from an article on grandprix.com:
"To fly the tyres to Indianapolis would take around six to seven hours and realistically they cannot be in Indiana before the morning. Thus if the Michelin teams were to run the tyres on race day, they would be breaking the rules and it would be up to the stewards of the meeting to decide on whether or not to impose a penalty. But penalising teams for doing something in the interests of safety is a situation in which the FIA will not want to put itself. However, one can see a situation in which the Bridgestone teams, namely Ferrari, will try to gain an advantage to pick up World Championship points. Responding to that, voices in the paddock say that if there is a protest from Ferrari, the other teams will simply not run on Sunday and so the United States Grand Prix would feature six cars: two Ferraris, two Jordans and two Minardis. That would be disastrous from a marketing point of view and the only obvious solution to the problem is to invoke force majeure rules and allow the new tyres to be run and a full field to be seen in action. Bridgestone would still be at an advantage because of the late arrival of tyres but there may then be questions about whether it is safe for the teams to go into a race on tyres that have not been used at all. Thus it might be necessary to have a short session on Sunday morning. But if that happens it is not clear how it could be handled under the parc ferme regulations that exist."

 
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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saw practice and qualifying today live at indy. amazing. this is my first race and if all the michelin teams pull out and i have to watch 6 cars go around, i'm gonna be po'd.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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Michelin is apparently flying in "Barcelona" spec tires for tomorrow's race. The political question remains unresolved however. One suggestion was to let all teams run new tires for the race, hmmm. Only time will tell what the eff really happens.

Good night all you Michelin shod piloti, sleep tight, muahahahaha!
 
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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i agree. all should have new tires for tomorrow's race as it seems the only right thing to do. however, they should be able to test them too i guess, then there's the question of fuel.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 04:21 AM
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It looks like the replacement tires aren't going to happen, according to Autosport. Some teams aren't happy with the idea of going straight into a race with tires they've never tested at Indy and there's also the problem of rules not permitting this. They've talked about a lesser penalty for using different tires--like starting behind all the Bridgestone guys, or a stop-and-go penalty, but some aren't happy with that. They talked about building a temporary chicane going into turn 13 (oval turn 1) but the track people don't want to do that. They've talked about having a permanent yellow flag at turn 13. And they've talked about some or all of the Michelin runners just going home.

Not very good! Let's hope they come up with some sort of reasonable solution.

Mark
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkS
Let's hope they come up with some sort of reasonable solution.
Why? How about a permanent solution. This temporary stuff is bogus.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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Well it's on in about 45 min. Anyone watching?
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 10:28 AM
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Yup...Le Mans over, lawn mowed, ready for F1...I predict a strange race.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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I just hope there's something to watch....
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 10:53 AM
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I'm watching, as Rye bugged me to hell after Toyota took pole since the 60's... and Kimi's right behind him.. so... I'm watching.. they are racing as is..
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximusmini
I'm watching, as Rye bugged me to hell after Toyota took pole since the 60's... and Kimi's right behind him.. so... I'm watching.. they are racing as is..
...or the Michelin runners pit on lap one...Ferraris encounter problems and 'Crash' Karthikeyan wins Indy!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Unbelievable...glad I'm not there!

Sad...
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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One on one race between Rubens and M.Schumacher, GO RUBENS!!!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:09 AM
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Oh my freaking god :eek2 :

I would really love Ferrari to win but this is sh*t.

I almost rooting for Albers to win

It looks like the only racing that will be happening.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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I will never buy a Michelin tyre as long as I live.


I agree with FIA's decision to not compromise. Those DNFers TEAMS are all ****** and I feel sorry for the drivers.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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I hate this tyre rule so much

Just make them load up with fuel...no refueling for something

I don't blame people for throwing stuff on the track but it might hurt drivers and track personnel who did nothing wrong

Stop throwing stuff on the track!!!!!

This is not NASCAR !!!!!!!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by camelpilot
I will never buy a Michelin tyre as long as I live.


I agree with FIA's decision to not compromise. Those DNFers TEAMS are all ****** and I feel sorry for the drivers.
CP...they're DNSers and it's DANGEROUS!!! Teams have made an excellent decision...the FIA and Michelin are at fault! Heads will roll...
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Ya know F1 has been famous for screwing the US public.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why whywhy why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why v why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why :mad
 
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