2009 Formula 1 discussion
If there is a problem at McLaren, it's probably good that it's chassis related, given the difficulty of working out engine problems (within the regs).
Sometimes a tiny tweak can have a big change. Hope they find out where it needs to be early in the season.
Speaking of sponsorship, did you hear that ING is out of F1? Economic conditions, etc
Sometimes a tiny tweak can have a big change. Hope they find out where it needs to be early in the season.
Speaking of sponsorship, did you hear that ING is out of F1? Economic conditions, etc
Speaking of sponsorship, did you hear that ING is out of F1? Economic conditions
How about the Sears building having its name changed. http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/12/news...ower/index.htm
How about the Sears building having its name changed. http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/12/news...ower/index.htm
Need to increase the weight of the cars to off set the KERS system. My point add weight to the cars and bring back the V10.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...says-theissen/
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...says-theissen/
Here's a load of bollocks. Teams not in the top tier can just pack up and go home now.
Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has approved a change to the points systems for this year’s drivers’ championship, which will see the title awarded to the driver with the most race wins. The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.
If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the existing 10, 8, 6 etc. structure. The constructors’ championship is unaffected.
The FIA’s World Motor Sport Council accepted the proposal for the new system from Formula One Management at a meeting in Paris on Tuesday. An alternative proposal to change the points awarded to drivers finishing in first, second and third place to 12, 9 and 7 points respectively was rejected.
Further changes agreed by the Council included minor tweaks to the testing regulations, increased media duties for teams and drivers at races, and a cost capping option for 2010 (see separate story). Honda’s request to have their entry changed to the Brawn GP Formula One Team was also approved.
The World Motor Sport Council’s decisions in full:
A number of measures were agreed to help reduce costs and increase interest in the FIA Formula One World Championship.
2009 Formula One Regulations
Points
The WMSC accepted the proposal from Formula One Management to award the drivers’ championship to the driver who has won the most races during the season. If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the current 10, 8, 6 etc. system.
The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system. There is no provision to award medals for first, second or third place. The Constructors’ Championship is unaffected.
The WMSC rejected the alternative proposal from the Formula One Teams’ Association to change the points awarded to drivers finishing in first, second and third place to 12, 9 and 7 points respectively.
Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has approved a change to the points systems for this year’s drivers’ championship, which will see the title awarded to the driver with the most race wins. The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.
If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the existing 10, 8, 6 etc. structure. The constructors’ championship is unaffected.
The FIA’s World Motor Sport Council accepted the proposal for the new system from Formula One Management at a meeting in Paris on Tuesday. An alternative proposal to change the points awarded to drivers finishing in first, second and third place to 12, 9 and 7 points respectively was rejected.
Further changes agreed by the Council included minor tweaks to the testing regulations, increased media duties for teams and drivers at races, and a cost capping option for 2010 (see separate story). Honda’s request to have their entry changed to the Brawn GP Formula One Team was also approved.
The World Motor Sport Council’s decisions in full:
A number of measures were agreed to help reduce costs and increase interest in the FIA Formula One World Championship.
2009 Formula One Regulations
Points
The WMSC accepted the proposal from Formula One Management to award the drivers’ championship to the driver who has won the most races during the season. If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on the current 10, 8, 6 etc. system.
The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system. There is no provision to award medals for first, second or third place. The Constructors’ Championship is unaffected.
The WMSC rejected the alternative proposal from the Formula One Teams’ Association to change the points awarded to drivers finishing in first, second and third place to 12, 9 and 7 points respectively.
Last edited by Gromit801; Mar 17, 2009 at 09:10 AM.
I am so surprised by the Brawn GP team. Two very experienced drivers with a good engine behind them and a design that took two years to develop. I always liked Button, and Rubens for that matter and felt they never had a real chance... that is, until now! And to think that not too long ago the team seemed destined to the F1 history books.
I hope Lewis and his team find the reason for their lack of speed quick!!! Can't wait till Melbourne.
I hope Lewis and his team find the reason for their lack of speed quick!!! Can't wait till Melbourne.
I would love to see the entire grid flipped and Brawn GP on top.
I think we are in for a great season or driving regardless of this stupid half-a$$ed new regulation. That is as long as the teams who end up in he back show up to the later races.
I think we are in for a great season or driving regardless of this stupid half-a$$ed new regulation. That is as long as the teams who end up in he back show up to the later races.
More news about the medal system without the medals!
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...s-takes-title/
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...s-takes-title/
Here's how Force India could win it all under the new rules:
Turn it up, and race a new engine to destruction. Win the race.
Next race, take the 10 spot penalty.
3rd race, repeat step one.
etc.
Turn it up, and race a new engine to destruction. Win the race.
Next race, take the 10 spot penalty.
3rd race, repeat step one.
etc.
That is an optional budget cap that teams will receive fewer aerodynamic and testing restrictions in return for a $30M budget cap.
The question I have, is that $30M per car, or $30M for the whole team? From what I read, that includes team, principle, and driver salaries. I don't know how a team would be able to manufacture at least two cars, replacement parts, and pay everyone for only $30M.
They were also saying that wind tunnel restrictions wouldn't be imposed on these teams. Unfortunately, wind tunnel time costs money, as well as everything else. Even if a sponsor donates something, the retail cost of the component will count towards the $30M total.
I think it's a great idea, and I applaud them for going in that direction, but I just don't think it's going to work...not like this. I think it needs to be adjusted some. I wonder if USF1 might go this route.
The question I have, is that $30M per car, or $30M for the whole team? From what I read, that includes team, principle, and driver salaries. I don't know how a team would be able to manufacture at least two cars, replacement parts, and pay everyone for only $30M.
They were also saying that wind tunnel restrictions wouldn't be imposed on these teams. Unfortunately, wind tunnel time costs money, as well as everything else. Even if a sponsor donates something, the retail cost of the component will count towards the $30M total.
I think it's a great idea, and I applaud them for going in that direction, but I just don't think it's going to work...not like this. I think it needs to be adjusted some. I wonder if USF1 might go this route.
It sounds like it would be the team
Teams with technical freedom (and the budget cap) will be interesting to watch too because they will be able to run special features when teams who stay on the current rules (with bigger budgets) will be confined as to what they can do.
"The engine will still comply with the current rules except there would be no rev limiters and no freezes on development," Mosley confirmed.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...2010-cost-cap/
Teams with technical freedom (and the budget cap) will be interesting to watch too because they will be able to run special features when teams who stay on the current rules (with bigger budgets) will be confined as to what they can do.
"The engine will still comply with the current rules except there would be no rev limiters and no freezes on development," Mosley confirmed.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...2010-cost-cap/
Let the idiots know how you feel about the new WDC award criteria:"
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/can...009#signatures
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/can...009#signatures
Good deal. I was wondering how they were planning to change everything 9 days before the start.
Hey, did you catch that--9 days! The end of a long cold winter!
Actually, for US viewers, wouldn't that be the night of the 28th?
Hey, did you catch that--9 days! The end of a long cold winter!
Actually, for US viewers, wouldn't that be the night of the 28th?
Last edited by daffodildeb; Mar 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM.
LONDON -- Formula One's ruling body backed down Friday and agreed to put off a new points system for the sport until next season after teams and top drivers objected.
The Formula One Teams' Association said FIA's decision this week that the championship would go to the driver with the most race wins instead of highest point total was invalid, prompting F1's governing body to reverse course.
"If, for any reason, the Formula One teams do not now agree with the new system, its implementation will be deferred until 2010," FIA said in a statement.
FIA said it decided to go to race wins scoring system on Tuesday, under the impression that the teams wanted the switch from the established system of giving the title to the driver with the most points.
But the change met with criticism from drivers including world champion Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso.
FOTA also came out strongly against the move. "It is too late for FIA to impose a change for the 2009 season that has not obtained the unanimous agreement of all the competitors properly entered into the 2009 Formula One Championship," FOTA said in a statement.
FOTA did not say whether it was prepared to lead to a boycott of the 2009 season, which starts March 29 with the Australian Grand Prix.
The teams said their proposal to award more points for victories would make the sport more attractive. They now want to reopen talks with the ruling body over a compromise for next season.
The teams proposed awarding 12 points rather than 10 for a race win, giving drivers more incentive to chase individual victories.
"FOTA had made a proposal that was carefully based on the results of a global audience survey, which allowed listening to preferences of the public," FOTA said. "All the teams firmly believe that these indications should be properly taken into account.
"The teams wish to reaffirm their willingness to collaborate with the FIA in order to jointly define a new point system for the 2010 season within a comprehensive set of measures aimed at further stimulating the attractiveness of the F1 sport."
Hamilton, who would have finished second behind Felipe Massa had the new system applied last year, Alonso and record seven-time champion Michael Schumacher have all criticized the change, which FIA agreed to on Tuesday despite one of the most exciting finishes to a season ever.
Hamilton clinched the title with a move on the final bend of the final lap of the final race.
With the new system, Ferrari's Massa would have been the 2008 champion because he led McLaren's Hamilton 6-5 in race wins. Hamilton won the title by one point.
Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone had pressed for the change, which reflected an earlier idea of his to award gold medals for race wins and give the title to the driver with the most medals. He said it would encourage more passing and "real racing."
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press


