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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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The whole thing is donkey-do

Here's my guess:

Red team cries "spy" because silver team has one up on them

Silver team gets hauled through the ringer when the guilty party - Stepney goes untouched

Silver team has connections that release "Sex scandal" as a "back at ya"

Sex freak makes it a point to insure silver team does not win.....


What they have not counted on is the determination of one driver with a dream and sights set......the world will know that even if he does not take the championship, that the road to it was flawed with the meddling of rules to satisfy other individuals devious agendas......

Though I am just at the same tender age of Schu, my brother (older) and I have followed F1 for many years. My brother summed it up:

"Bernie and Max are old, they need to go"

Lewis' determination should be an inspiration to us all, never let others stand in the way of your dreams....KBO Lewis, KBO !
 
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by daffodildeb
I remember when Michael was the man to watch, before he went to Ferrari. Guess that makes me a young old fart. Geez, Michael was born in '69. Are you, what, 70? 80?

It's funny you say that about the time penalty, when a steward was quoted as saying they had a choice of time or 10 places on the next grid. Yes, I saw the copy that was posted--just interesting that the steward didn't even know the rules. Wonder if that means he didn't know what qualifies as "overtaking," too.
I'm 52, and started watching F1 in 1965 at nine years old when Jim Clark was my hero.

The steward obviously wasn't remembering that the infraction occurred in the last five laps.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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I guess the first I recall being an F1 fan was Andretti driving the JPS Lotus 77, but I was only 7 years old then. My brother really got into it in the mid eighties and I followed along. I was a drag racer then and Pro-stock and Super Stock were my fascination. I still remember the poster he had of the Benetton team (88'-90' ?) with Alessandro Nannini shortly before the heli crash. I have watched religiously (except those one horse races of the Schu era) since 1997.

But really, how long you have watched really doesn't matter. There will always be those racers that were this or that, look at Coulthard, he was very aggressive in the early days and now he's looked upon as the "Gentleman's racer". Must be all that gray......

Many years from now, you will recall those days such as when Mika put the moves on Schu at Spa or when Alonso held off the Schu at Imola or Lewis Hamilton burst onto the scene to establish one of the best rookie seasons ever......hindsight is always warm and fuzzy
 
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Thus the call from Sir Jackie and David Coultard for professional stewards, instead of the bunch of local yahoos they throw together for each grand prix.

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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I don't see "professional" stewards solving anything. Who would they work for and answer to? The FIA? GPDA? It's easy to see that the accusations of favoritism would be enhanced to an almost supernatural degree.

I'd rather have the local stewards, who know the track their working.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SpitfireMkI
"Bernie and Max are old, they need to go"
It does make one wonder (me, anyway), who will take over, and how it will be done. If Bernie is the owner of F-1, as in owner of part of the parent company, does it go to someone in his will? He's a dictator--is he Prez for life, as in some countries? (If so, does anyone want to volunteer to...)
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by daffodildeb
It does make one wonder (me, anyway), who will take over, and how it will be done. If Bernie is the owner of F-1, as in owner of part of the parent company, does it go to someone in his will? He's a dictator--is he Prez for life, as in some countries? (If so, does anyone want to volunteer to...)
Bernie is beholden to the banks that really own FOM. He's a shareholder but doesn't own F-1 outright. I imagine those banks will determine Bernie's replacement.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
I don't see "professional" stewards solving anything. Who would they work for and answer to? The FIA? GPDA? It's easy to see that the accusations of favoritism would be enhanced to an almost supernatural degree.

I'd rather have the local stewards, who know the track their working.
If the FIA is the governing body, why is it that they do not have a team of professionals ? That could include pro drivers ? It is obvious that their system needs revamping.....teams can build cars with performance that challenges the mind of engineering, why is it the FIA can't use their minds to come up with a way to provide fair rule application ?

Perhaps the answer is not with the stewards or drivers association but in the back room politics that surely go on. If a sea of red flows through your ticket stands, certainly you are not going to cut your life line by punishing the particular team they are there to see.........as proof.....remember that exhaust header ? A blatantly obvious safety issue for drivers and spectators.....ignored

Sometimes I can see what JPM is saying about F1

Get the politics out and the racing back in
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 08:10 AM
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Remember one thing. F1 is not going to die because of any perceived hammering of Hamilton. He's not the first nor the last driver that fans have a love/hate relationship with.

Absolute fairness is a myth. Accept that now, and save heartburn later. The Olympics would have found the way if it existed. But since it is in the hands of humans, it's part of the game.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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It is the truth you speak........

Barring any further "judgements" or "new rules" Hamilton's quest for the championship will go down as one of the best years ever.

It will be a monumental achievement on his part (and team Mc) if he takes it.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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Despite the slim chances I continue to be loyal to BMW and root for Kubica. Between Hamilton, Massa, and Kimi I would much rather Kimi make a remarkable comeback and take it again. Now that would be a season to talk about for a while.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 10:38 AM
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IMO, He doesn't deserve it (Kimi) with such a lacklustre year of driving - last year he was all there and the win was deserved.

Kubs and Massa would be my next choice, in that order. I like Rosberg and Williams, very disappointing performance from the FW though.....with Kazu in as one can only assume a Toyota deal, their development seems slow.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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Massa not surprised appeal failed.

...the court dismissed the appeal as 'inadmissible' because the penalty was technically a retrospective drivethrough...
I guess Massa technically won the Belgian GP.

If Massa wins the championship, he better do it by 7 or more points or else he will have technically won the championship.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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If Massa wins by even one point, he will have won the WDC by driving within the rules.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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This is priceless!

Concerning the Singapore race....

For some drivers, the unusual schedule may be more of a problem than others.

Singapore has spent millions on an event that will showcase it to the world
Red Bull's Mark Webber, for example, is an early bird, so getting up at lunchtime may take some getting used to for the Australian fitness fanatic.
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen, by contrast, has built up a bit of a reputation for his fondness for certain night-time activities.

"I like to sleep until noon every day," the world champion says, "so for me this seems the perfect venue."

The Finn's well-known liking for a drink, and his infamous appearance in a London lap-dancing club a few years ago, has led to one or two jokes at his expense during discussions about Singapore - "I guess Kimi should be on form," said Red Bull's design boss Adrian Newey, "he's used to performing when it's dark."

- BBC
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
If Massa wins by even one point, he will have won the WDC by driving within the rules.
As with the Beatles....."With a little help from his friends"

In only his second year, admittdly LH has made some mistakes (not Spa) but Massa, a 6 year veteran, has on several occasions looked like someone who pays to drive F1 rather than one getting paid to do so

Regardless, it will be down to the wire and this time Hamilton will be ready
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
This is priceless!

Concerning the Singapore race....

For some drivers, the unusual schedule may be more of a problem than others.

Singapore has spent millions on an event that will showcase it to the world
Red Bull's Mark Webber, for example, is an early bird, so getting up at lunchtime may take some getting used to for the Australian fitness fanatic.
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen, by contrast, has built up a bit of a reputation for his fondness for certain night-time activities.

"I like to sleep until noon every day," the world champion says, "so for me this seems the perfect venue."

The Finn's well-known liking for a drink, and his infamous appearance in a London lap-dancing club a few years ago, has led to one or two jokes at his expense during discussions about Singapore - "I guess Kimi should be on form," said Red Bull's design boss Adrian Newey, "he's used to performing when it's dark."

- BBC
And Coulthard is eating lots of carrots for better night vision. I'm not joking.....
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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From the FIA bad idea department:

Drivers Told to Stop If They Miss Chicane

here's an article
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-miss-chicane/
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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From the FIA bad idea department:

Drivers Told to Stop If They Miss Chicane

here's an article
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-miss-chicane/
It was further revealed that when the new regulation was held to ultraviolet light, the secret ink was exposed to state "...except for drivers from the Scuderia who don't have to obey this and most other silly rules"

 

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:27 PM
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And Coulthard is eating lots of carrots for better night vision. I'm not joking.....
So its "Cats Eyes Coulthard" rather than "Cats Eyes Cunningham" the ledgendary RAF night fighter pilot eh ?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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One thing that was raised in the BBC article, is the chance of rain...


"But there is one unknown that even F1 is struggling to plan for - racing under floodlights in the wet.

Thunderstorms are predicted for both Saturday night, when qualifying is held, and race day on Sunday, with the chance of rain put at around 60%.
There are concerns that the high-intensity lights could cause glare as they bounce off a wet surface, or shine through droplets of rain.

The teams are doing what they can to eliminate the problem, including using high-contrast helmet visors with differing colourations to increase depth perception and special coatings to prevent droplets forming.

This is the one aspect of the Singapore race about which drivers have expressed some concern.

But it is debatable how much difference it will make.

Visibility is already practically zero in the wet when F1 cars race in the daylight - at the Italian Grand Prix the weekend before last, BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica rather alarmed himself by overtaking team-mate Nick Heidfeld without even knowing he had done it."
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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From the FIA bad idea department:

Drivers Told to Stop If They Miss Chicane

here's an article
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-miss-chicane/
Further evidence that the rule is flawed and that there is too much room for interpretation and manipulation.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Stop the car....get out...wave to race control that you know realise that you cut the chicane, get back in, call for safety car to escort you to the pits for stop and go penalty then proceed to fall in a lap down behind the last (Sutil ?) backmarker. If red cars are near, yield regardless of position, remember they keep the stands full....................
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Remember, FIA means "Ferrari In front, Always"
Did someone forget about the 80's and early 90's?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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I recall those days, when they had a V12 and a then new "automatic" tranny and a Brit driver, then came the rise of Schu and the first championship, I cheered ! Beat those evil cold Mclarens ! God, how I looked on Mika and David as the enemy ! At the time they seemed invincible ! I'm just drawn to LH and his enthusiasm, what a breath of fresh air
 
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