is this "09" a 09 factory JCW car?
is this "09" a 09 factory JCW car?
Just going by where the badges are, and the brakes (which can obviously be put on by a dealer/owner), I'd say it's a real one. And the first W in the VIN means it came from Germany... I don't think the regular Cooper S's ever came from Germany.
well I like it anyways, 08 or 09, maybe I could use the info as leverage if it turns out to be a non factory dealer put together. My 03 JCW was built that way and its been great. Besides internals in the engine/clutch/ trany how much diff can there be? They should run the same?
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No they will not run the same,192bhp vs 211bhp.The dealer installed jcw kit has the stock cooper s turbo.
It is a nice example but it is not worth Jcw money.I would sell my Factory JCW with less miles for the same money.
It is a nice example but it is not worth Jcw money.I would sell my Factory JCW with less miles for the same money.
That's not true. The R56 factory JCW's are made in Germany.
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No they are not.The only mini model made in europe is the countryman and it is made in austria.
Last edited by 2009R56JCW; Oct 20, 2011 at 06:44 AM.
Put the last 7 digits of the VIN into realoem.com. You'll see that it pulls up JCW.
If you decode the VIN using this:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
You'll see that the OP's VIN has "MF93" which correlates with John Cooper Works.
And I found a decent quote of more to look for:
If you decode the VIN using this:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
You'll see that the OP's VIN has "MF93" which correlates with John Cooper Works.
And I found a decent quote of more to look for:
In terms of trying to discern based on pictures it can actually be a bit difficult to tell the difference but there are some tell tale signs that are good places to start. None of these are necessarily singular indicators of whether a car IS or IS NOT a factory JCW. However when you look at these things all together you stand a better chance of identifying a stage 1 vs factory JCW. This is BY NO MEANS an exhaustive list....just some quick clues.
Exterior
- Side scuttles - factory JCW scuttles are chrome with no markings
- Exhaust tips - factory JCW tips are chrome with no markings, stage 1 JCW tips have the JCW logo on the tips
- Brakes - factory JCW has red painted brembo brakes with JCW logo
- Wheels - cross spoke wheels for factory JCW
Interior
- red pattern on shift ***
- checker flag bubble decal on dash
- anthracite headliner
- JCW door sills on factory JCW
Transmission
- Manual - factory JCW is only available in manual tranny, therefore if you see a JCW with an autobox IT IS NOT A FACTORY JCW
Under the Hood
- look at the air intake - if it looks like a regular MCS intake, it is most likely factory JCW. If the intake looks different and features a JCW logo its likely a stage 1 kit.
Again you can't necessarily use any of these items a definitive indicators. The reason I say this is that many of these items are easily retrofitted. In other words someone with a stage 1 car can add many of these other items and make the car look identical to a factory JCW.
VIN Number
If you have access to the VIN this is a more definitive way to know for sure if its factory JCW. Whether you are talking 2009-2011 if you look at the VIN, the sixth character from the front should be a "9". This is the pattern that I've noticed. Regardless of whether it's coupe, cabrio, or clubby.
Exterior
- Side scuttles - factory JCW scuttles are chrome with no markings
- Exhaust tips - factory JCW tips are chrome with no markings, stage 1 JCW tips have the JCW logo on the tips
- Brakes - factory JCW has red painted brembo brakes with JCW logo
- Wheels - cross spoke wheels for factory JCW
Interior
- red pattern on shift ***
- checker flag bubble decal on dash
- anthracite headliner
- JCW door sills on factory JCW
Transmission
- Manual - factory JCW is only available in manual tranny, therefore if you see a JCW with an autobox IT IS NOT A FACTORY JCW
Under the Hood
- look at the air intake - if it looks like a regular MCS intake, it is most likely factory JCW. If the intake looks different and features a JCW logo its likely a stage 1 kit.
Again you can't necessarily use any of these items a definitive indicators. The reason I say this is that many of these items are easily retrofitted. In other words someone with a stage 1 car can add many of these other items and make the car look identical to a factory JCW.
VIN Number
If you have access to the VIN this is a more definitive way to know for sure if its factory JCW. Whether you are talking 2009-2011 if you look at the VIN, the sixth character from the front should be a "9". This is the pattern that I've noticed. Regardless of whether it's coupe, cabrio, or clubby.
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Mine's a fJCW but the VIN looks different than either convention mentioned.
WMWZG9C50C TZ80148
edit: The decoder is off a bit. It's telling me that my week 41, 2011-built 2012 fJCW Clubman is a March 2010 fJCW R57...
WMWZG9C50C TZ80148
edit: The decoder is off a bit. It's telling me that my week 41, 2011-built 2012 fJCW Clubman is a March 2010 fJCW R57...
Last edited by quality_sound; Oct 20, 2011 at 07:27 AM.
Put the last 7 digits of the VIN into realoem.com. You'll see that it pulls up JCW.
If you decode the VIN using this:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
You'll see that the OP's VIN has "MF93" which correlates with John Cooper Works.
And I found a decent quote of more to look for:
If you decode the VIN using this:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item
You'll see that the OP's VIN has "MF93" which correlates with John Cooper Works.
And I found a decent quote of more to look for:
it shows on your decode the vin link ... MF93 = John Cooper Works (USA)
so does that mean a factory built JCW?
Yes, the VIN wouldn't change if the JCW tuning kit was added to an S.
I'm 99.9% sure that's a factory JCW, but to be absolutely positive, the easiest thing to do is to call a dealer and give them that VIN number. While you're at it, ask about it's service/warranty history.
I'm 99.9% sure that's a factory JCW, but to be absolutely positive, the easiest thing to do is to call a dealer and give them that VIN number. While you're at it, ask about it's service/warranty history.
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RealOEM.com also identifies it as a factory JCW: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do?vin=TF96179
Go get it!
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just an FYI on that car... vehicle history was clean it only had scheduled maintenance done on it, and it looks like it has the accessory 18" JCW wheels as well as the JCW aero kit. looks like a clean car and it is for sure a real JCW!
check out the engine!
now I'm confused
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hmm... just looks like there is a strut bar and a heat shield or something on it. I would say go look at the car in person. It is definitely a factory JCW.
goin440 kind of, but the OP asked if it was a JCW and as of 2009 MY MINI introduced the JCW as a sperate model in our lineup vs being a package for a Cooper S as it was from 2002-2006 MY. So you can have a JCW tuning kit on a car which while it is authentic it will not be considered an actual John Cooper Works model.
goin440 kind of, but the OP asked if it was a JCW and as of 2009 MY MINI introduced the JCW as a sperate model in our lineup vs being a package for a Cooper S as it was from 2002-2006 MY. So you can have a JCW tuning kit on a car which while it is authentic it will not be considered an actual John Cooper Works model.
It looks like whoever had it before ordered just about every possible option, and he bought the JCW intake too. A lot of JCW owners do the same.
If you're really still not completely sure that it's a JCW, there are two things you can look for. There's a sensor on the coldside intake tube (the one right under the strut brace on the left) that has "JCW" marked on it in a circle. And, if you lift up the bottom part of the rear seats, JCW will be stamped on the bottom of them if it's a real JCW. You can ask the dealer to do that if you're not local.
If you're really still not completely sure that it's a JCW, there are two things you can look for. There's a sensor on the coldside intake tube (the one right under the strut brace on the left) that has "JCW" marked on it in a circle. And, if you lift up the bottom part of the rear seats, JCW will be stamped on the bottom of them if it's a real JCW. You can ask the dealer to do that if you're not local.
The picture under the hood just shows a fJCW with the stage 1 tune on it. That means you get the JCW airbox with a cone filter = best intake you can buy besides DOS (about equal). That just has a strut brace and heat shield. Looks extremely well optioned out.
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