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F55/F56 Are we hackable?

Old Jul 23, 2015 | 08:40 AM
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Are we hackable?

How concerned should we be ?

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers...-jeep-highway/
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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As I can hardly get my i-phone to talk to my mini when their both paired
I guess not at all
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 10:15 AM
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this is only a problem with newer cars that are coming with cellular connections built into the vehicle, now if you happened to have your phone connected to your OBD2 port with a bluetooth or wifi connection, and someone hacked into your phone, and then sent CAN messages to your car, they might be able to do something, but thats pretty slim.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by blue al
As I can hardly get my i-phone to talk to my mini when their both paired
I guess not at all
Laughing out loud. It is glitchy, I agree.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ebMiniGuy
How concerned should we be ?
Hey, if you're short of things to get worried about, this one will fit the gap nicely.

Also always check for attack by tigers when exiting your vehicle - they wait behind other parked vehicles to increase their chance of getting you.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 01:07 PM
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BMW has been shown to be vulnerable before:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/28784...rive-hack.html
 
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Old Jul 23, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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Also always check for attack by tigers when exiting your vehicle
I believe in evolution strongly enough that I feel a bit of panic everytime I open the garage door at night. Bears. They will start with gunless suburbanite shift-workers, alone and defenseless.

I should never have watched The Ghost and the Darkness.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2015 | 05:18 AM
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Very unlikely.

This could become a potential problem for cars that are their own hotspots or are designed to receive software updates on the fly. Even then, (if not now), they will include a firewall between what can be updated vs. a car's operational computer (with a backup of prior OS as the new is installed should the new one be hacked or flawed in some way).
 
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Old Jul 24, 2015 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hammerhands
Bears. They will start with gunless suburbanite shift-workers, alone and defenseless.
As I live in a country where there is not a single non-human animal (except maybe some dogs) that has any desire or ability to kill you, bears are scary. I was made to walk through the "don't mess with bears" trailer at the entrance to Banff National Park which did a good job of changing me from 'wary' to '****-scared'.

Years later ski-ing in forests in Nova Scotia I found that even repeating to myself "the nearest bear is 1,000 miles west of here" didn't stop every bit of snow dropping from a tree branch sounding like an advancing bear thinkiing to itself "mmmm, skier, tasty......".
 
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Old Jul 24, 2015 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rkw
BMW has been shown to be vulnerable before:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/28784...rive-hack.html
Using encrypted communication and digital certs for identity is "web development 101" stuff.

This vulnerability is the classic example of a group of engineers not knowing their own limitations. Our put another way they knew just enough to be dangerous.

However as other posts indicated the attack vector was across the public Internet.

If you don't want your car to be hackable then don't buy one that is connected to a cellular network.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dongood
...If you don't want your car to be hackable then don't buy one that is connected to a cellular network.
Wise words. It can't be hacked if it's not online.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2015 | 09:42 AM
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Wise words. It can't be hacked if it's not online.
Exactly!!! And don't let strange people hook into your ports.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2015 | 02:50 AM
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So Jeep Chrysler recalls 1.4 million cars for software updates, but does absolutely nothing about tiger attacks. Shame on them......
 
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Old Jul 25, 2015 | 01:24 PM
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So Jeep Chrysler recalls 1.4 million cars for software updates, but does absolutely nothing about tiger attacks. Shame on them......
I do find it totally amusing how the US senators are losing their mind over Chrysler, despite them already working on a fix, but completely ignore the other manufacturers that are just as easy or almost as easy to "hack". Nothing like a good old double standard.

Of course, you guys have to keep in mind that the guys that did this were given the BCM and ECU firmware by the OEM's under the premise of being independent mechanics and then it took them a year to write their code to actually do something about the vulnerability. It's hardly shadetree tomfoolery.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2015 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
I do find it totally amusing how the US senators are losing their mind over Chrysler, despite them already working on a fix, but completely ignore the other manufacturers that are just as easy or almost as easy to "hack". Nothing like a good old double standard.

Of course, you guys have to keep in mind that the guys that did this were given the BCM and ECU firmware by the OEM's under the premise of being independent mechanics and then it took them a year to write their code to actually do something about the vulnerability. It's hardly shadetree tomfoolery.
This, and they had 30-45 minutes in contact with a vehicle to update the firmware.. and the key to the vehicle...

If you let strangers use your car for 30-45 minutes at a time... hacking is the least of your worries.

The way the clickbait articles are written its as if Grandma dialed up AOL and killed people on the way to the mall.

The article was written to scare stupid people into thinking the robots are going to kill them.

https://screen.yahoo.com/old-glory-i...000000469.html
 
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