F55/F56 What do you dislike about your F56?
#77
Siriuszero- I guess I did not explain it properly. Any pops etc that happen will happen in any mode because there is no difference in the way the engine burns fuel between them al. It is shocking how much noise is lost when you remove the ASD.
There is no ASD fuse. If you pull the fuse the stereo goes down too....but give it a try so you can hear the difference. Here is a post on the subject. Because of Canbus you have to be careful.
Interesting how this ASD thing is such an emotional issue for some people. Many people get very upset when I mention the amount of sound the ASD generates. People argue that they have worked with engines all their lives and they are hearing the real engine not a fake sound! They do this because the cars are quiet and you can't hear much because of the sound proofing.
There is no ASD fuse. If you pull the fuse the stereo goes down too....but give it a try so you can hear the difference. Here is a post on the subject. Because of Canbus you have to be careful.
Interesting how this ASD thing is such an emotional issue for some people. Many people get very upset when I mention the amount of sound the ASD generates. People argue that they have worked with engines all their lives and they are hearing the real engine not a fake sound! They do this because the cars are quiet and you can't hear much because of the sound proofing.
That's why I'm confused as to why you no longer hear them outside the car. It should be completely separate from the ASD. Yes, it's artificial in that the noise is engineered, but it is still a physical thing that happens and is not tied to a generated soundtrack like ASD. It may have been amplified by ASD in the cabin, but you should still be able to hear it the same outside the car.
So let me get this straight, because I have a good friend with a new F56 she just got. You can set the auto stop/start to be off more or less permanently (she hates it as do almost everyone on this forum) in the new F56s but not the early ones. And the "fake engine sound through the speakers" is permanent. I could't really notice it driving her car around, it was very quiet. I couldn't hardly hear the exhaust at all, especially compared to mine. That seems like a pretty weird feature if you ask me.
#78
I think the reason you don't hear the burbles outside the car is because they maybe only happen when the car is running and you let off the gas. If you're idling or just "blipping the throttle" standing still it's not like the R53 (those were the blippers lol). My car definitely has pop/burble in Sport mode whereas my 2007 had none.
#80
SiriusZero. So what you are saying is that on the F56 in sport mode the engine pumps gas to the exhaust to create a sound effect....and that they did this on the R56 as well?
My R56 had a noise maker that I also disabled but I frankly find it hard to believe that any modern car manufacturer would do this. I not saying it is untrue but I think of the emissions issues this would create.....right?
Also it is well documented that no engine change happens between any of the modes. The guys from some of the piggy-back tuning systems have made statements to back this up.....for the F56 anyway.
My R56 had a noise maker that I also disabled but I frankly find it hard to believe that any modern car manufacturer would do this. I not saying it is untrue but I think of the emissions issues this would create.....right?
Also it is well documented that no engine change happens between any of the modes. The guys from some of the piggy-back tuning systems have made statements to back this up.....for the F56 anyway.
#83
SiriusZero. So what you are saying is that on the F56 in sport mode the engine pumps gas to the exhaust to create a sound effect....and that they did this on the R56 as well?
My R56 had a noise maker that I also disabled but I frankly find it hard to believe that any modern car manufacturer would do this. I not saying it is untrue but I think of the emissions issues this would create.....right?
Also it is well documented that no engine change happens between any of the modes. The guys from some of the piggy-back tuning systems have made statements to back this up.....for the F56 anyway.
My R56 had a noise maker that I also disabled but I frankly find it hard to believe that any modern car manufacturer would do this. I not saying it is untrue but I think of the emissions issues this would create.....right?
Also it is well documented that no engine change happens between any of the modes. The guys from some of the piggy-back tuning systems have made statements to back this up.....for the F56 anyway.
When MINI brought out the R56 in 2007, the pop and burble was engineered away to cut down on noise, but when they did, people complained and they brought it back for the LCI refresh in 2011. It's a VERY small amount of fuel used to make this happen. Not enough to impact fuel economy or emissions.
#84
For the R56 anyway, this is 100% true, from the mouth of a master tech and trainer at MINI. I thought I've heard this is also how the F56 worked as well - still waiting to hear back from my buddy at MINI. I'm fairly sure the F56 works the same way, but I don't KNOW.
When MINI brought out the R56 in 2007, the pop and burble was engineered away to cut down on noise, but when they did, people complained and they brought it back for the LCI refresh in 2011. It's a VERY small amount of fuel used to make this happen. Not enough to impact fuel economy or emissions.
When MINI brought out the R56 in 2007, the pop and burble was engineered away to cut down on noise, but when they did, people complained and they brought it back for the LCI refresh in 2011. It's a VERY small amount of fuel used to make this happen. Not enough to impact fuel economy or emissions.
My r56 was 2010 and that did not happen on that car as you stated.
I find it hard to believe because of the political fallout if it got out that BMW were doing this in an age where fuel is so (or was) so expensive. I'm only talking F56 here. I believe your guru friend.....
I used to race tune bikes. Rapid throttle shut down can cause this maybe the throttle on the F56 ad R56 is electric the deceleration can be dialed in to do this. Back pressure to has a part to play. Running the car rich to cause this effect would be pretty tough to do and expensive too.
#85
Sirius. My r56 was 2010 and that did not happen on that car as you stated. I find it hard to believe because of the political fallout if it got out that BMW were doing this in an age where fuel is so (or was) so expensive. I'm only talking F56 here. I believe your guru friend..... I used to race tune bikes. Rapid throttle shut down can cause this maybe the throttle on the F56 ad R56 is electric the deceleration can be dialed in to do this. Back pressure to has a part to play. Running the car rich to cause this effect would be pretty tough to do and expensive too.
#86
The R56 pop and burble is caused by fuel during overrun i.e. on throttle lift off in the ~2500 rpm range. Fuel is injected into the engine while the exhaust valves are open. Because the car is direct injected this can be precisely controlled. The amount of fuel we are talking about is drops.
Last edited by cerenkov; 02-27-2015 at 06:14 PM.
#87
Sirius.
My r56 was 2010 and that did not happen on that car as you stated.
I find it hard to believe because of the political fallout if it got out that BMW were doing this in an age where fuel is so (or was) so expensive. I'm only talking F56 here. I believe your guru friend.....
I used to race tune bikes. Rapid throttle shut down can cause this maybe the throttle on the F56 ad R56 is electric the deceleration can be dialed in to do this. Back pressure to has a part to play. Running the car rich to cause this effect would be pretty tough to do and expensive too.
My r56 was 2010 and that did not happen on that car as you stated.
I find it hard to believe because of the political fallout if it got out that BMW were doing this in an age where fuel is so (or was) so expensive. I'm only talking F56 here. I believe your guru friend.....
I used to race tune bikes. Rapid throttle shut down can cause this maybe the throttle on the F56 ad R56 is electric the deceleration can be dialed in to do this. Back pressure to has a part to play. Running the car rich to cause this effect would be pretty tough to do and expensive too.
#89
The R56 pop and burble is caused by fuel during overrun i.e. on throttle lift off in the ~2500 rpm range. Fuel is injected into the engine while the exhaust valves are open. Because the car is direct injected this can be precisely controlled. The amount of fuel we are talking about is drops.
The pop and burble is a useless feature that I would be more than happy to delete if I could.
#90
Please???????????
Maybe it is just "drops" but it may explain why so many Mini owners have carbon build up problems with their engines and it become a money pit to fix with all the other issues that come with it.
The pop and burble is a useless feature that I would be more than happy to delete if I could.
The pop and burble is a useless feature that I would be more than happy to delete if I could.
#91
Maybe it is just "drops" but it may explain why so many Mini owners have carbon build up problems with their engines and it become a money pit to fix with all the other issues that come with it. The pop and burble is a useless feature that I would be more than happy to delete if I could.
Now the usefulness of the feature is mostly subjective. I could do without it but I like the tighten steering that sport mode gives so I live with it.
#93
I run my car in sport mode 95% of the time around town, with the JCW exhaust in open mode.
Those pops turn to bangs. Sounds like my exhaust is setting off small fireworks back there.
I find myself downshifting just to hear it...This feature is awesome, and no way would I ever want it to change.
Those pops turn to bangs. Sounds like my exhaust is setting off small fireworks back there.
I find myself downshifting just to hear it...This feature is awesome, and no way would I ever want it to change.
#94
To return back to the original thread's question for a moment:
- Love the 16" Victory Spoke black rims that came with my Sport package (bought car in June '14), but absolutely HATE the run-flat tires they put on the rims. Loud, handle poorly, and were less-than-useless in even the smallest amount of snow (worst winter performance I've seen in my 30+ years of owning cars).
- Love the increased visibility from my LED headlights, but HATE having to ride with my hand on the lever, ready to flash my high-beams back at oncoming cars that flash at me, thinking my high-beams are on. Happens every single time I drive at night, very often multiple times in a trip.
- It's an old peeve from when I was more active on the forums, but I'm still disappointed that the audio system did not include a disc player, and only had 4 speakers. Still kicking myself for not going with a custom order, just to get the Harmon Kardon upgrade (not easy to find aftermarket audio upgrades for the F56).
#95
I'm still on my honeymoon phase with my MCS since I only got it 5 days ago but this is definitely a fail that's begging for a mod. The glove box designer and tester should be fired.
#96
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#98
The glove box size is not the issue for me. I don't know how to remedy the problem without altering the design of the dash or affecting passenger leg room. Couldn't they have tilted the angle of the box slightly downward towards the front by a tiny bit so stuff don't fall out as soon as you open the door?
#99
I haven't even taken delivery yet, and my biggest pet peeve from the beginning has been the reduction in size of the fuel tank. The unofficial 'official' response given to me was, for weight reduction. What's gas weigh, 8 pounds a gallon? I'd rather have that 3-4 gallons back and have a longer range between fill-ups.
It would make sense to reduce the fuel tank size, if the intent was to make room for a urea tank for a diesel variant. But I have a feeling we won't see a diesel before the next refresh.
It would make sense to reduce the fuel tank size, if the intent was to make room for a urea tank for a diesel variant. But I have a feeling we won't see a diesel before the next refresh.
#100
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