F54 CravenSpeed Big Pair Chassis Brace
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CravenSpeed Big Pair Chassis Brace
Anyone have these installed on their F54's? Do you feel like it makes a difference? Is it worth nearly 300 bucks?!
I read that many people like them on the F56. But those are at least 80 bucks cheaper. Link below for those that don't know what I'm talking about.
https://www.cravenspeed.com/the-big-...f54-2016-2019/
I read that many people like them on the F56. But those are at least 80 bucks cheaper. Link below for those that don't know what I'm talking about.
https://www.cravenspeed.com/the-big-...f54-2016-2019/
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We've sold and installed several sets of braces and the craven ones are good. But we have been using the Chassis bones version as they were more cost effective and worked just the same.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
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We've sold and installed several sets of braces and the craven ones are good. But we have been using the Chassis bones version as they were more cost effective and worked just the same.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
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We've sold and installed several sets of braces and the craven ones are good. But we have been using the Chassis bones version as they were more cost effective and worked just the same.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
From what I've seen I think the 4wd has two braces and I think the 2wd has only one brace. The last 2wd we had in only came with one brace from the factory.
Either set will make a difference as we have customers tell us how happy they are all the time.
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I think lowering living in central PA would turn front splitter into snow plow. I do want rear sway bar to really tighten everything up even more, but my local shop wants too much for installation. I do have 225/40R18 Ultra high performance run flats at 40 psi (recommended for speeds over 100mph) on 8.5" wide wheels which widens stance and run alignment as close as I can get to JCW specs; that probably helps a bit.
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I believe the Cravenspeed braces are cast aluminum and are machined to size/shape. They are much lighter than comparable steel ones, but being cast have much higher rigidity and less weight than the stock stamped steel one. Also, since it replaces the OE one and adds another one where there is none, it stiffens up the chassis nicely......
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So for those of you that care, I got my Cravenspeed Big Pair earlier this week and got them installed this past Wednesday.
Honestly, I think I do feel the difference. Definitely much stiffer feeling - in a good way. You will have to take my observations with a grain of salt, as I had wheel spacers ( 12mm F / 15mm R) installed at the same time. Even I didn't think they would make much of a difference, the car feels better planted to the ground.
Honestly, I think I do feel the difference. Definitely much stiffer feeling - in a good way. You will have to take my observations with a grain of salt, as I had wheel spacers ( 12mm F / 15mm R) installed at the same time. Even I didn't think they would make much of a difference, the car feels better planted to the ground.
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Originally Posted by Minnie.the.Moocher
The wheels spacers probably invalidate you non-scientific opinion. I'm on the fence about getting them for my F56. I was at Cravenspeed the other day and almost bought them.
Thanks for the feedback, always good to have other data points.
Thanks for the feedback, always good to have other data points.
After a year on that set up I added the braces, unsure whether I would be able to notice a thing.
I sure noticed a thing!
Car turns in more precisely, feels even more well planted due to the reduced chassis flex, and gives better road feel as I approach the limits of traction.
It's not the quantum leap in handling that the sway bar was, nor the lower suspension. But for $110-210 and a very fast and easy install, the bang for the buck is outstanding.
Go for it!
Clubman F54: https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...4-clubman.html
4-door F55: https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...55-4-door.html
Hatch F56: https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...5-f56-f57.html
Convertible F57: https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...57-cabrio.html
Countryman F60: https://www.waymotorworks.com/chassi...ountryman.html
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Originally Posted by Minnie.the.Moocher
Please help me understand Aluminum for braces. Everything I read tells me that steel is stronger, so why Aluminum?
https://www.thefabricator.com/articl...ength-in-metal
"The thickness and shape of the formed part also contributes to its stiffness. Stiffness is proportional to the cube of the thickness. To neutralize aluminum being one-third the stiffness of steel, an aluminum part must be made 44 percent thicker than the steel part. Even with this increased thickness, there is a potential for weight savings since aluminum is one-third the density of steel."
That's where the Big Pair and Chassis Bones come in. They're lighter than the steel they replace but have a lot more material in them. The net is they are stiffer than the stamped steel they replace.
(the outer dimensions are about the same, so the replacements do not protrude from the car.)
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For what its worth, this made the "forked Tongue" feeling go completely away. Prior to install the car was most connected in the middle but any of camber cornering was a noodle-tastic experience. Its far more composed and mostly goes where I point it. This has proven to be the number 1 drive-ability upgrade that I have made yet. Would absolutely recommend to ANYONE who likes to toss it into a corner once in a while.
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Just got these delivered. Nice pieces, but for $270 you’d think they could throw in 6 bolts to mount the rearward brace 🤷🏼♂️
From the factory my rearward brace position only has 2 bolts holding on a splash shield. The other 4 holes are unused.
Anyone know the thread pitch for these offhand? I’d like to buy some before I jack up the car to install them.
From the factory my rearward brace position only has 2 bolts holding on a splash shield. The other 4 holes are unused.
Anyone know the thread pitch for these offhand? I’d like to buy some before I jack up the car to install them.
Last edited by AutoCoarsen; 12-29-2020 at 04:20 PM.
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Mine came with the necessary bolts included. You better get in touch with CS.
Just got these delivered. Nice pieces, but for $270 you’d think they could throw in 6 bolts to mount the rearward brace 🤷🏼♂️
From the factory my rearward brace position only has 2 bolts holding on a splash shield. The other 4 holes are unused.
Anyone know the thread pitch for these offhand? I’d like to buy some before I jack up the car to install them.
From the factory my rearward brace position only has 2 bolts holding on a splash shield. The other 4 holes are unused.
Anyone know the thread pitch for these offhand? I’d like to buy some before I jack up the car to install them.
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^ I did but they confirmed they don’t come with bolts(anymore), even though the installation instructions say they do. Was told the instructions were outdated and you can just use your existing bolts (that don’t exist) 🤷🏼♂️. I’ll figure it out. Just some extra hassle.
And I bought these over the cheaper Chassis Bones option partly because they came with bolts. Haha! I know 6 bolts from the hardware store isn’t a big deal, just one less thing to deal with.
And I bought these over the cheaper Chassis Bones option partly because they came with bolts. Haha! I know 6 bolts from the hardware store isn’t a big deal, just one less thing to deal with.
Last edited by AutoCoarsen; 12-29-2020 at 10:15 PM.