I ordered the cooling mist methnol injection kit, I have a few question for the guys that have methnol injection already.

1. I'm probally ordering a 17% 0r 19% pulley and I'm thinking that the methnol injection will help keep every thing in check and safe also. I've done some research already but just wanted to get some info from people that have already been there.

2. Injector placement, I've read more than a few post on the subject but never came across anyone that dyno'd pre intercooler, vs post intercooler. Also take in to consideration that I'm probally going to a 19% pulley.

3. duel injector placement, I know that Misfit toy has duel injection but he run one post intercooler normally. I realize that I'd have to install a tank (which I don't want to) if I take this route.

4. For anyone that has the cooling mist system already which injector size did you get.

last one what is the posibility of an cryo2 intercooler sprayer while using methnol/water injection. I know that methnol is a antifreezing agent, but the water is not I'm not sure that the water would freeze but if it did ice could not be good in the combustion chamber.

Any thoughts or ideas are welcome.

Thanks in advance. Jules

 

My first question is why?

Are you drag racing?

 

nope not really, on a few occasion I do take my car to the track, but nothing serious at all. I also own a honda civic hatch back with an engine swap, that will be turbo'd soon. So that will be my drag car.

I want the mini to peform the best over all and still be realiable and civilized. I do a bit of spirted driving though, and the car is taken to many car shows year around so I try to keep it clean.

Thanks for the help

jules

 

Check this post...
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...1&postcount=79

from this thread...
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=91007

 

thanks partsman, I have actually read that whole thread and then some. No one mention any thing about an CO2/N20 intercoller sprayer. Is it even worth doing with methnol injection, or even safe on a mini. The reason for this question my friend dyno'd his civic at 355whp last week on a dyno dynamics dyno. The tuner there told him is incooler was to small ands holding the car back which we knew, while talking to him we understood that a larger intercooler would decrease the boost ex. DFIC. I thought this was a good thing because less boost= less heat, but I was told that it also equals less hp, but the potential to make more. He'd have to increase the boost to bring it back to its present level of boost which would not be the best idea unless he was running race gas.

As I understand it run meth injection is like having race gas so I asked him and he said that its a great Idea, So I asked him about the intercooler spray (CO2/N2O) and he was like its a great Idea. The combo of the intercooler, meth injection and C02/N20 intercooler sprayer, was safer for the engine and would allow more hp. Problem is we were talking about a car with a front mount intercooler and not one that would be sitting right next to the point where the methnol would be injected.

Is it safe or even woth doing on a mini with meth injection?

Also I read the other post about the pre and post intercooler injection. What's confuseing me is Alta has seen on just met injection no tune and increase of 7tq and like 9whp with no tune injection after the intercooler. However, the other mini saw 10hp before the intercooler (which I heard is a better spot to inject) but non after the intercooler.

Could it be that the pre intercooler run was made when the car was pretty cool and the post intercooler run was made on an heat soaked intercooler? Or could it just be a margin of error on the dyno that saw or did not see the 10hp?

As for the pulley question I know that 19% will seriously increase the IAT and I was hoping that the meth would not only help this but allow the car to make hp from the pulley than a car would see from the normal 19% pulley install.

I want it to be as safe and realiable as possible, thats why I have decided not to tune for the meth injection. here is my list of current mods to the car peformance wise(not much but I'm trying to do every thing right).

06 JCW, obx headder, modded JCW air box flap with K&N high flow cone air filter, removed resinator and flat spot before the exhaust,Engine tq damper (methnol injection kit on the way, trying to decide on 17% or 19% going to order today or tomorrw.

 

I put on a MINI dyno day a while back at a local place, swiftmotorsports.com/ and the guys there mentioned about getting a good hp increase by spraying the IC with CO2 on some of the VWs, Hondas, and Subarus. When they tried it on a couple of the MINIs, it didn't respond as well as they thought it would.

A lot of the guys on here(including me soon) are running meth injection with no problems, just make sure the system you get activates with a boost switch. After more than a few conversations with Sid (MSFITOY), i'm going with the system from enginerunup.com/
If you have unlimited funds, the Alta system is the way to go.

Your car should be fine with a 19% as long as there is no sustained high RPM.

 

thanks again partsman, are you going to inject before the intercooler or after the intercooler.

i ordered the cooling mist system that has the boost switch, I'm using the factory resivor, at least for now. I don't have alta type of money right now even though I have a dealer account with them. I'm going to buy the cooling mist vari-cool progressive controler in a month or 2 and also considering the benfits of possibly running a pre and post intercooler sprayer later.

Thanks for all the help I heard some what the same results about the CO2 sprayer. I heard that with the hood open to allow for the various wires that the dyno uses to not be crushed, that the C02 was flowing into the intake because with the hood open there was no seal to keep the C02 out. He saw a 30hp loss that way. I would assume that most of the cars that the guy you know tested probally had all aftermarket intakes that had open tops. It's possible that could have been a problem?

I figured that the JCW intake being realitively closed it eliminates this problem? maybe not? After talking to other great nam'ers I think that maybe it might be a better investment of cash to put into a twin pre and post intercooler meth injection set up. I'll just have to come up with some really creative and feasible way to add a water tank. I have no room in the hatch, with my sub and amp setup. If you have any ideas for tank and mounting options let me know.

Idea that I have now is possible linking an extra resivor to the factory resivor so I can run a smaller secdary resivior.

check out cooling mist they a have flow sensors and a progressive controller that can probally be fitted to you system as well, and they normally ship the order out the next buisness day.
Jules

http://www.coolingmist.com/

 

I'm not sure yet where I will place the injector(s). The thread I linked above has a lot of good info and even touches on multiple injector setups.

As for the CO2, I had three JCW cars there(2 dealer installed, 1 factory installed)that all had the JCW air box. They just didn't respond to freezing the IC like we all had thought. http://nemini.org/index.php/topic,3598.0.html

One thing about your JCW intake, don't change it. If anything, use an aftermarket foam filter for less restriction. The JCW, Dinan, and even the stock airbox have excellent heat insulating properties. I am only seeing a difference of 10 degrees(sometimes less) between the ambient air and the actual IAT(using a ScanGaugeII) while cruising on the highway, and just few degrees higher during a short spurt while under boost.

Placement of a water/meth reservoir can be very difficult, even more so for you because of the audio hardware. If you were running a single sided exhaust system, the area on the other side where there would be no muffler is a good spot for a custom aluminum tank. About the only thing I can suggest is to use your xenon washer tank in addition to the windshield tank.

 

Thanks again, I'm keeping the jcw, I just put in an k&N cone filter. The combo of the filter change, flap removal and Obx headder gave me 4.5hp and 10tq. I'm goinng to use the xennon resivor for know. thanks for the ideas. I'll let you know what I figure out.

 

inter cooler spray AND water/meth?? haha you must live near the equator...
no but that would be pretty nice... and quite cold..
let me just tell you a few things i have herd..
the co2 intercooler spray MUST be kept clear of your intake, if any of it gets into ur intake ive herd its very bad.. so make sure ur intake is sealed off..

Secondly im pretty sure meth injection should be place AFTER the intercooler.. i cant find the website but i remeber reading that the alchohol reacts with the aluminum and can damage your intercooler... you might want to look that up and make sure...
ALSO.. in pre intercooler set ups.. (especially with Co2 spray) you might not get ICE from the water being injected HOWEVER.. the mist Can Condence to liquid wich could mess ur engine up...

 

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I live in florida, and have the cooliingmist kit.

I tapped the exit of the intercooler.

It works very well - as the temps climbed this year - performance still feels nearly the same. It was 90F here today no sweat!

 

I don't have a water/meth system at present but I read this thread with interest. Just thinking about a reservoir tank, do you think it would be possible with a little ingenuity to install a windshield tank on the drivers side similiar to the stock location? Without taking the sheet metal off it appears to be a simple matter of some spacers to mount the tank the same way the factory did.
Steve

 

Is your question referring to a drivers side tank other than the factory xenon tank?

 

I finshed the install a few days ago, and I can say honestly I haven't really felt a diffrence. First I think the boost switch was set so high that the pump wasn't turning on. After 30 min of frustration turning the wrong adjustment screw I finally figured that part out. I recieved to diffrent injectors in my kit and installed in the end of the intercooler exactly like TampaMCS. I installed what I thought was the smaller of the two jets, After runnig it a few times It seemed like nothing changed or I may have even lost a lilttle power. So I removed the jet to place it before the intercooler to see if there was any change.

Upon removal of the injector I realized that it was the larger of the two I had so Installed the smaller one after the intercooler and the larger one in front of the intercooler. Testing the one in front of the intercooler it seem to stay about the same and I detected a little gurgle after I stop a hard run and took off normally(I figured some may have pooled in the intercooler, nothing serious). Next I un hooked that injector and ran only the small injector behind the intercooler and ran it, it seems to me that the car may pull a little smoother in higher boost. Not Sure Any way I plan to put it on the dyno in a month or so and test all three set ups and see which nets the best if any hp gain. I'll keep yuo guys posted. Also I going to do a crappy MS paint diagram to show how I routed my hoses.

 

Thanks for posting.
Did you get the boost switch sorted out?
What were the weather conditions like? ambient temp, etc.

 

I'll try to explane it, the paint diagram looks like it may confuse some people so I'll just take pic if need be.

My set up is the Xenon tank tapped exactly the same way Alta did in there wite up. (don't make the hole to big or you have to sicicon the hell out of it)

route the hose behind/ over the finder liner thru the factory grommit. It come up into the engine bay area by the ABS system. The pump If pressed tightly into place next to the ABS block and under the brake lines. (Yes it does fit there just take a lil patients and thats it).

The tricky part, unlike doctor O mine would not flow through the factory pump and hose. What I did was unplug or cut the washer hose that goes to the rear windshield (Accessible above the ABS, its the one of the black rubber lines). I bought a regular autozone y fitting, connect one end of the straight section to the factory washer hose, the other end to the pump. The bottom of the y fitting goes to the extra line I tap into the xenon resivor. The Idea is that the water passing over the added WI line would cause a vacume like sucking the end of a straw and would cause the fluid in the resivior to flow through the wi line. It did so it worked out fine after primeing the system.

The idea seems to work great I can fill the system and Prim the system before a run if I need to by just hitting the **** for the rear window washer for a second. After the system is primed its seems to stay primed and ready to go for a long time.

I hope this helps Future WI owners, By using the pumping/ priming method I stated above you eliminate the work and cost of installing a second pump like alta did. It seems to work extreamly well as stated above.

 

Keep in mind you aren't likely to notice a boost in power, what you will notice is that when it gets hot, you wont lose as much.

Here in Florida, the car runs way better so far in the heat than it did before I had it. You may need to play with the on/off pressure point to get it to where the engine likes it.

Are you running 60/40 water meth or 100%? If you are running 100% try adding distilled water to thin it out sorta speak - water has a better heat transfer capacity than the alky does...

 

I think its just about sorted out I need to check it again I want it to turn on at about 10-11psi. Thanks for asking

Thats has been a problem here (sort of ) In Louisiana right now were seeing huge flucation in temp, and every time I change the set up when I test it the temp has change by more than a few degrees.

I need to take the time to go out for an hour or 2 and get the car to temp and make a few pulls with and without the WI and see it I can feel a diffrence.

Also I haven't change my pulley to the 19% yet so I expect that the WI would make a bigger diffrence with the increased heat generated from the boost increase with the pulley, which is what I really bought the WI for any way.

 

Right now I'm runnig -20 degree washer fluid with a Heet Booster as mention by Misfitoy.
I'll try to thin the mix and see what happens because it's possible that I put to much Heet in. I'm getting some 100% methanol so I can mix my own and have a better Idea of the actually mix ratio.

Thats what I figure, as the weather gets hotter that I would see more of a diffrence. If it allows my car to run like its 65 degrees when its 80+ I'll be more than happy with it.

And I going to experment with the on/ off pressue. hopefully I get the controller in the not to distant future and can get gain across the tq/hp range like alta saw VS the possible gain for about 2000 rpm with just the basic system. As you said before in hind sight I would have deffintally and will still get a progressive system, weather its the Alta, Cooling Mist, Devils own. If your thinking about WI get something progressive.

 

Ok I ran the car with the WI off and then on and there is a small noticably diffrence. However,after running the car with the WI on, and I turn the car off if I try to start the car after say about 3-5min the car seems like it takes an aditional second or 2 to start.

Other problem that I have is I believe I fouled a spark plug, it's not really bad but last night while siting at a red light I noticed a very slight lope twice.

I figured that the semi fouled plug could be from running the larger injector post Intercooler. We will see!

Any ideas about the starting problem though? Does any body else's car do that after a semi hard run with the WI.