The tunning that they did was in-house by their engineer that do work on MCS in which put out amazing performances. One of which I took a ride in and felt glude to my seat when he zoomed to 60 in like under 5 seconds.

It could be that the 210 number I'm talking about is actualy closer to 200-205. I can't be certain about the exact number but I can tell you that much that my car after their tunning felt like it found another gear. I have done an unofficial 0-60 time which was close to 6 seconds. I pretty much hit 70 mph in 2nd gear.

 

the difference between 200 and 210 is enormous from my experience...... and 226 is big guy on the block (non turbo)

I really need to get to the track this spring and let my car "rip" see what it will really do

 

DMH achieves in the mid 230s with 100 octane race fuel on a cool day. We do the mid 220s with 91! All with the stock intercooler.
Leaving the head and exhaust aside for the moment, what holds many people back is the incorrect supercharger pulley size that they unwisely install. With the M45, more than a 15% reduction pulley will cost you HP due to the supersonic air speed generated above 14,000 rpm (heat).

 

Funny....this is what Randy Webb has been preaching for years

 

Spider-You have the same Mini color that I have assunimg your car is the one in your avatar. If so, how do you like the color and if you could, what alternate color would you get for your car?

I originaly wanted to go with the dark blue/royal but since my 87 BMW 325i series was that similar color I wanted to get a different one. I also had silver Audi and wanted to stay away from silver. The red, white and the light blue was just not for me.

Sharo

 

I dont care what he says, lol.

I make 206WHP with my 19% and bolt ons. I know you wont be doing that with a 15%.

 

Correct; you would make more.

 

i'll believe it when i see it.

I dont care how hot the air gets, my w2a ic is ice cold on the output side. i dont see where im losing power at...

 

Don... so what you're saying is a 15% will produce more hp than a 19%? Now i'm confused...

 

By theory, I think he is saying that the 15% will make more HP at the high end. 17%/19% will make higher hp & tourque numbers at lower rpms vs the 15% pulley, but max hp will be best achieved at high rpm with the 15% due to excessive heat produced by the M45 being over it's intended operating RPM....in theory...

 

I have done both..... when you are tracking and the car is constantly at the top of its rpm range the 19% overdrives/redlines the M45 to the point where heat robs the engine of power.... in this case the 15% is a better choice...allegedly

on the street and in the twisties where you are not close to red line all the time I found that the 19% gave me more tq down low and was a blast to drive.......I also threw 2 belts at very bad times..... if I was to go back to an M45 I would 15,16% just because I don't want to wait for the flatbed for 3 hrs again with my GF in the car

 

Again I think lots of people get too wrapped up in what dyno numbers are. For me the question should be how is the car being used, street or track, where do I want my power band to be, and how does the car drive for the type of driving that it will be used for. Do you really want to build a car that will have most of it's power from 5000 rpm's up for a street car or would you rather have low end torque? Your choice, Steve

 

(case in point) I rarely hit red line with my driving..... when driving in the mountains 4000-5500 with a few blips up past 6K....smooth acceleration and modulation is what I enjoy..... the 62 is so strong and modulates very well...... on the track Randy Webb said he is rarely below 5K

 

I'd say I'm less interested in a fixed set of numbers than a particular feel. I'm looking for very strong acceleration from a standing start and excellent mid-range power for street and track. If I can have the majority of my power below 5500 I'd be thrilled. All that high rpm revving is hard on a motor. Ultimately, I'd like some decent long term reliability from my motor despite my spirited driving style and occasional track use.

 

I don't think they are trying to be deceptive or secretive. More a case of having been busy turning out the second and third cars of the initial five. Instead of being doubtful, why not give DDM Works a call if you have questions.

 

Mini Fireman,

Don't you think it would be wise to fix the first ones before making more headaches?

Bill

 

The idea of a number is great and all but the achievement for me is more seat of the pants feel when I am putting all she's got to the floor.

Since it is not a daily driver and more a fun toy I tend to ride her to red line in the first gear or two (since speed limit keeps me from doing otherwise ).

So far I have done a ton of suspension work and am almost there and incredibly happy!

I have done a few mods under the hood to achieve a noticable difference that I am happy with but by no means done: 15% pulley, DFIC, AGS, Exhaust.

The next steps are new headers and a new head. From there where we go I am not sure. m62 is looking like an idea but so is turbo...

Heck a number would be nice to see but it is so subjective to so many parameters that all it does is give a number to tell people who ask that wouldn't know any better and most of you here know better

Actually I will say one small and silly goal is to be able to take my friends at a light, I can keep up once they get a car length ahead but I just can't seem to beat them. These are 2 different Carrera's...

anywhooo

 

What exactly needs "fixed"? The initial car it was test fitted to turned out not to belong to the guy who was driving it (GF's). Bob stepped in at that point to become the first real test setup and he's well chronicled what his experiences have been. He's explained how most of the "problems" he's experienced have been a combination of issues related to to parts already installed on his car and the things related to the normal development process. Then a kit was installed on Dane's nearly stock car, which as I understand it, has been trouble free since install.

 

THEORY is not a proven fact......
Theory about 15% making more power than 19%..?
It is pretty obvious.. isn't it?

17%, 19% will make power than the 15%, and that is the simple fact. It may change due to environmental differences later on but initially they make more power period.

 

I guess the plethora of dyno graphs that have been posted on the M62 kit further solidifies how well the car is really tuned.

Bill

 

So what's your point? If you want to doubt the validity of the kit. Fine, do so. But to bad mouth the development because of what you perceive to be some type of deceptiveness is just unfair and uncalled for. Since when did sarcasm become a substitute for honest discourse on NAM? I was under the impression this community was kinder than that.

 

The point is that you missed the point. There is no bad mouthing going on. I am merely stating that if the tune was good they would show a dyno graph instead of a saying a number that it made. Anyone that understands what they are looking at would know the tune of the car. Many on NAM don't understand what a good tune is. Any vendor selling parts that work and are safe will show the dyno graph to show what is really going on in the car. That's what these boards are for, showing what works and what doesn't. You are clearly taking what is said over what is seen.

Bill

 

I disagree. You've made your skepticism abundantly clear, IMO.

The development is still in progress. Do you really expect them to stop and post results at every juncture of development?

And I'd expect that at the completion of development and availability of the completed kits also.

Perhaps. But that's only because I'm sitting in Afghanistan and not back in the States. What I do know is that I am familiar with many of the principles involved in the development and have taken the time to call DDM. So unless these people are patent liars the development is progressing nicely and should yield an excellent alternative to those who don't want to go turbo or TC. As always, time will be the best judge. If I'm wrong, at least it's my wallet I voted with.

 

it has been done at about those same levels multiple times with my 15% pulley!

 

Stick with the m45 and stock bolt-ons, and then find the most optimistic dyno I can.