I did a search and found little info so I thought I would ask you guys.

I planning on getting a Head in January. I was planning on getting a Schrick cam but read that the Ultrik was a direct copy? MM has the Ultrik on sale for $359.00 .

Here are the stats on the Ultrik.

Intake: Duration 264, Lift 9.5mm, overlap 0.5, peak timing 114, open at 18, close at 66.

Exhaust: Duration 272, Lift 9.0mm, overlap 0.65, peak timing 114, open at 70, close at 22.

I know that the Schrick has the same Intake (264) and Exhaust (272) but the rest I'm clueless. Is the Ultrik as good as the Schrick????

Longboard

 

Every number is identical to what I have seen for the Schrick -- and in more than one place.

 

I only know because it so happens that I have been "cam data searching" on the web today. I just finished looking at "Schrick" data all over the place.

 

the best part about the whole thing is that MINI mania is scarring people into purchasing there product by saying that you dont need new valve train with there cam...


LOL

its the same damn cam specs!!!

That is ridiculous!

shame on them for using scare tactics to make sales

 

[quote=Longboard Mini;1259314]I did a search and found little info so I thought I would ask you guys.

I planning on getting a Head in January. I was planning on getting a Schrick cam but read that the Ultrik was a direct copy? MM has the Ultrik on sale for $359.00 .

Here are the stats on the Ultrik.

Intake: Duration 264, Lift 9.5mm, overlap 0.5, peak timing 114, open at 18, close at 66.

Exhaust: Duration 272, Lift 9.0mm, overlap 0.65, peak timing 114, open at 70, close at 22.


I know that the Schrick has the same Intake (264) and Exhaust (272) but the rest I'm clueless. Is the Ultrik as good as the Schrick????

Without rolling both of the cams you won't know the difference. The #s can be the same but the ramp speed & event timing can be night & day.

 

quality of build and materials is the question...... on a spec sheet the Radio shack speakers can look as good as esoteric audio.....

the MM may be fine but I know the Schrick is good.....

 

If you look at all the " ultrik " products you will find the vast majority are actually rebadged products from other suppliers. I have no doubt that the cam situation is the same. Mini Mania makes very few products themselves , especially for the new Mini.

 

Yeah.. this is interesting. But maybe we are going to see a lot of quality knock off's as the MINI Mods become more popular!!

 

in my industry rarely are the knock offs up to the same quality.... this does not matter in many cases but I would not trust a CAM to the same standards I would a jacket or other consumer goods.... the MM piece may be great but i would check it out first before I bought

 

There are many cams that have the same duration, open & close spec. There is no way to know if the cam in question is the same.

Knock off? Untill somene rolls the 2 cams it's premature to think they are the same. There are many more charisterics to take into account that can drasticly change the way a cam works with the same advertised #s. Even the cam card won't tell the whole story. The metallurgy involved, if inferior, would have put the company out soon after it started.
Schrick is a fine cam manufacturer but so are many others. As the after market grows for the Mini you may see Crane, Competition Cams and the like with product for these cars. They won't be inferior or knock offs but they might have the same advertised lift & duration.

 

but crane and comp have been in business for eons building cams... where as ultrik has been...

 

Who cares? If you buy 1 & it's crap, then talk about it.

Does Ultrik make sub par products? With large failure rates? Is, in fact, the MM cam Ultrik? I sure don't know. What evidence do you have?

This remindes me of DMH & his "aftercooler".

 

normally i would agree with you...however... when it comes to internal engine components that the other parts of your engine relie on... i draw the line. I would hate to have a cam shaft shatter or break... and mar everything inside the head up... Now if an exhaust or intake fails... who cares? There isn't any other conciquential damage.

Ultrik did make pretty good stuff... i never heard good things about there intercooler though... but there wasn't enough people running it to get a good feel of it.

 

My aftercooler -- what about it? The design idea came from the Porsche 944 Turbo; four were built and they were thoroughly tested by me at race tracks since the early summer. The trouble is I cannot get it or any other ic to work better than the stock unit.

 

No one want's an exploding cam. No question there. Do cams fail? Yes they do. On an SB they break at the front, some loose their distributor gears, either way the oil has enough debris that you are done. The usual cause is oiling, the lack of. This is a rare event, thank the car god.

NOS is way more risk than a cam. I've had my share of failures & I've seen plenty.

MM does not say who exactly makes their cam. "Ultrik vs Shrick???????" is what this thread is supose to be about. So far no Ultrik owner has said zip. To sell any auto related part, or just about anything, in the US the company, vendor & retailer must have liability insurance ( it's $$$$$, trust me ) & no 1 likes litigation.

No comparison has been made on this thread that has any credence or relivent facts & that's my point.

 

im not trying to bicker here... but... what does nitious have to do with cams etc... and this post...

I do see your point as far as no one has complained about the ultrik cam... i just wonder how many have actually purchased the ultrik cam.

My point is that when it comes down to internal engine compenents... i ALWAYS trust the people who have been doing those internal parts. People who have a reputable name. Thats all... i hope the ultrik cam is made by a seperate cam manufacturer and all ultrik did was tell them to make the cam to the same or similar schrick specs... i would love to have an alternative to the expensive schrick cam

 

I have seen even the best manufacturers cams break. Anytime you run a car there is a chance it will break. This thread has gone totally off track. Let's hear from actual owners of these cams.

 

Nothing. The risk factor is higher. You install on your own.

The Ultrik, if it is the MM, the ramp could be less steep = lighter spring. Who knows? That could be the reason MM says what they do. Honestly, money spent on the head & a header makes more sence IMHO.

You & me both.

The 1st time I saw Shrick was a Fiat applicaton, twin cam. For compareison, SBC = $125, Fiat = $875, this was in the 80s. I think EAP still has them, can't remember what they cost for an Alfa but that was the last time I had a Shrick in my hands.
Have you thought to get a regrind? There are some realy good shops that are very reasonable. In the past I've had some pretty radical stuff made without any problem ( cam wise ). All you need is a cam, used & straight.

 

Exactly

It's been interesting..... Out of the cam people in Europe, the Ultrik could be a Cosworth. They have made a slew of pieces parts for the Mini.

How's that for speculation????

 

Longboard,
The thing to consider here, since no one has come forward with testomony on the Ultrik cam, is how you drive the car. Are you racing it, track events, drag racing, drift, anything that demands prolonged high RPM. If the answer is YES, then look no further than Schrick. If not, the Ultrik cam will be just fine with no need to worry, and a few buck saved for something else.

--Dan

 

I have talked to a dyno operator who has tested quite a few Mini's and they said the schrick only made 4-8hp depending on the car. To me this is not where I will spend my money for nearly $500 plus install to only get that amount of hp.

 

Thank you very much. That was what I was looking for. My car if street driven only. I would like to do a track day this year though. I am looking for as flat of a power delivery as possible. Real street-able power. I'm not looking to run my car at 7500 RPM allot on the street. I want power to pull me out of corners in the canyons.

Since starting this thread I have decided on a Cosworth cam after talking to Peter at M7. This will happen in January with a new Head and a few other fun items.

Longboard

 

When you do a Head you should do the cam. I wouldn't do it unless I was adding a Head.

Longboard

 

I agree that you should change the cam but for one that actually makes some real horsepower for the money spent. The schrick doesn't do that in my opinion.

 

Just a question, but is there ANY company that makes a cam for MINIs with different specs than the Schrick? I've looked repeatedly and cannot find one.