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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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Intake test

An intake test performed on an Acura RSX. Interesting reading for those interested.
http://www.aempower.com/press_events_detail.asp?aid=12
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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20HP from an intake!? No way....

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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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20HP from an intake!? No way....

-Cody
Yah...is it just me or do the 2 that achieve 19 and 20hp are sitting outside of the car
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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It looks like the AEM CAI is sitting inside the engine, but the DC Sports one is deffinitly outside...Maybe they forgot to
"turn" the intake in...so it sits over the shock tower like the AEM one is doing.

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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by polizei
It looks like the AEM CAI is sitting inside the engine, but the DC Sports one is deffinitly outside...Maybe they forgot to
"turn" the intake in...so it sits over the shock tower like the AEM one is doing.

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If you read the whole article they state that those "CAI" intakes are suppose to be routed to the front wheel well. They only left them hang where you see them for the test so it would be easier to swap them out for each dyno run.
They also said that the temperature difference between that location and the wheel well was minimal.
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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K&N filter panel : -0.1hp...
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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There's a lot of good in this article...

1) They used a very good testing regimin. Making sure the car state was very close to identical for each test gave them results that varied less than 1%.

2) The comments on air flow vs dyno conditions are right on.

3) The fact that the true CAIs showed so much benefit via what we'd call an HAI is a perfect example that density is what's important, and both temp or pressure (boost for us) is really only half of the story.

4) This shows the value of things like OBD-II data logging equipment (or the like) to ensure consistancy, vs just bolting the beast down and doing the run.

5) I hope the folks who like numbers and/or like to test read the article. There's a lot to learn from this one.

6) I like the mix and match on the flow bench to see what combo of ducting and filter would do the best, and wouldn't you know it, they came from different manufacturers!

7) The only criticism I have is that they didn't measure manifold pressures to measure a density number, and they should have tested the stock box with no filter, to see if anything would improve the stock box, they say in the article they didn't expect much from the drop in, and the -0.1 is statistically insignificant when the errors of the measurement are taken into account.....

Pretty cool!

Matt

ps, and yes, the HP numbers are believable, and the difference between the HAIs and the CAIs make sense. Look at the difference in IATs, the are very large....
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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why cant someone design an intake for us that will give us 10-15 hp. is there not enough space?
 
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sdv515
why cant someone design an intake for us that will give us 10-15 hp. is there not enough space?
Every car design is different. The bottleneck in airflow through the Mini's engine is not the intake but the valves. You are always limited by your weakest link.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
1) They used a very good testing regimin. Making sure the car state was very close to identical for each test gave them results that varied less than 1%.

2) The comments on air flow vs dyno conditions are right on.

3) The fact that the true CAIs showed so much benefit via what we'd call an HAI is a perfect example that density is what's important, and both temp or pressure (boost for us) is really only half of the story.

4) This shows the value of things like OBD-II data logging equipment (or the like) to ensure consistancy, vs just bolting the beast down and doing the run.

5) I hope the folks who like numbers and/or like to test read the article. There's a lot to learn from this one.

6) I like the mix and match on the flow bench to see what combo of ducting and filter would do the best, and wouldn't you know it, they came from different manufacturers!

7) The only criticism I have is that they didn't measure manifold pressures to measure a density number, and they should have tested the stock box with no filter, to see if anything would improve the stock box, they say in the article they didn't expect much from the drop in, and the -0.1 is statistically insignificant when the errors of the measurement are taken into account.....

Pretty cool!

Matt

ps, and yes, the HP numbers are believable, and the difference between the HAIs and the CAIs make sense. Look at the difference in IATs, the are very large....
Glad you read the whole article.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 08:42 AM
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From other's comments...

it seems that some just skipped to the table at the end....

Good read.

Matt
 
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