I believe that to be a MOLE, not a Troll

 

Hey! I didn't draw it. Maybe it's a Trole Hunh Hunh Wadaya say

 

Couldn't have said it better

I once started a thread called something like "the best post" or "the best come back"...this goes on top...if only I could find that thread again...

 

It is not my agenda to compete with you guys. I am simply trying to push the envelope. And I feel like I am the only person left on this site that is doing this.

SpiderX I apologize if I came off a little rude. However I wish I could take you for a ride in my car.

 

Just one more thing. I have given you guys enough respect to not call you names and not to insult you. I may be younger than you guys but that gives you no right to get frustrated with me asking question about "performance modifications" and testing procedures, and then attempt to insult me because of my age and call me names.

But if anyone's intelligence needs to be insulted well... You guys are the one's buying parts from a photographer.

 

Spillman...with all due respect, I commend you on the great work that you have accomplished on your Mini. All I would ask is that you offer us the same degree of consideration when you approach a subject that we are enthusiastic about...right or wrong...it is not your place to make us feel stupid /naive/inadiquate...our comments about you are directed at your approach, not your intelligence...which BTW, doesn't make us stupid because we happen to choose to spend our money at M7...we don't assume you are because you chose to TC your Mini...come in and behave as an adult, treat us as adults and we will kindly pay you the same respect...let's start over as friends?

 

Since when (bitting my tongue to not say a few choice words) is acting like an adult calling someone a troll?

 

I didn't call you names I would like this whole thing to chill before we get locked out...k?

 

No disrespect, either, but if you are truly the only one pushing the envelope on this site, then why bother? For your own sake? Or, for others'? If in fact no one's here to listen, then it seems like a frustrating and lonely quest.

I'm a little older than you, I believe, but not much so don't take this as a knock. Anyways, it seems to me, life's way too short to do something which we don't like, AND there's really little to no sense in investing our own time and money in a hobby like this, if the intention is primarily to help people other than ourselves (to put it plainly). Mind you, no one is asking you to invest anything, that I can see, and if they were, well that would be quite unfair to you.

If you're in this for yourself, well, that's awesome, but statements like this really don't convey that. Mind you, Spider's pretty transparent all along in that he's doing what he's doing, foremost, for his own sake. What he learns, well, he eventually shares out of kindness and for the sake of others.

I hope that, in whatever end you seek, you will find yourself happy and fulfilled. We should all be that lucky. Please, though, let others be happy in their own pursuits.

 

Spillman,

In my opening paragraph I made reference to your age and then acknowledged the age of the founders of Google..... History teaches us that many of the great thinkers did most of their best work at very young ages....look up Einstien and the paper on special relativity....but youth and enthusiasm can also be impetuous and trying ...... I admire your enthusiasm but to get your points across try to know your audience if you care about their opinions.... if you don't care....it does not matter but then why bother to post on a board if you choose to operate in a vacuum....

THe "photographer" is a pretty clever guy who is very creative himself .... harnesses the best thoughts of others and looks to experts to hone his products..... this is no different than any business except maybe a one man blacksmith.....

No one is questioning your intelligence but rather trying to get you to understand that there is more than the dyno available and that other tools work very well....

The man whose "testing procedures you are questioning holds a PHD in expermental physics..... I wish I could get you to understand what that means and the sophistication that testing proceedues at that level are scrutinized....... he knows how to test and measure...on and on ..... also, no one is diminishing your car or your accomplishments.... no one is battling you here.....and no one is asking you to BUY anything........

I am sure your car is very fast......but honestly I would not let you take me for a ride because you would be trying to impress me and that is when bad things happen..... I would enjoy driving it myself.... I would feel safer.....

One more thing.... this board is a community and in any community if you want to be a part there is the right way and the wrong way to dissent..... I respect your right to your opinions please respect mine.....

That being said I have been taking care of a sick child all day... iam tired and going to bed

 

Someone can be insulting without calling names.

For example:
Not that I'm trying to draw a parallel here but for example
Einstein was a patent clerk. Making sneering comments about someones education isn't an endearing trait.
You came in and busted chops on the boost topic yesterday when it was clear you had limited understanding of the debate. Today you start this nonsense.
Now you get all whiney when people bust your chops.

From what I've seen the "photographer" has brought far more to the table than you have. And no, I don't own a single M7 product.
Your Fast and the Furious "my car is faster than yours" chest pounding may play in your neighborhood. If so then maybe your little sandbox is the best place for you.

Yes, I posted the troll picture. It was obvious from the responses to that that you are the only person that thought you didn't act like a troll.
Sorry but it's not because we are all threatened by your genius.

I do enjoy your posts though

 

Please let's set the record straight. It is a MOLE, not a TROLL picture.

 

Too late...he's left the stage...

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...87#post1056987

Why does it always have to be their way or the highway?

 

I'm no innocent here for sure but it's a shame that he and others like him dilute the value of their contributions by their actions.
Some people have difficulty accepting being wrong.

I get a lot of practice, doesn't bother me much


Exit...stage right...

 

Crap I missed a lot on the drive home!

 

Let me preface this by saying I don't know any of you guys and I have no bones to pick.............please do not read anything into this post because the sarcasm button is off........

Fine. Everytime someone brings up the dyno bugaboo they get jumped around here. Regardless of how you want to interpret or categorize each and every post asking for numbers it comes down to the same brass tacks. Some mods are for aesthetic reasons, some mods affect handling, but when you get into modifying your intake, your DME, your pulley, your head, etc. what's the aim? Refinement - let's be real.........

It can't all be about refinement. Ingsoc didn't add the Cosworth head for the main purpose of refinement - nor did SpiderX with the WMS head. Misfitoy has not added nitrous for refinement - its for power. Even the benefits of the DFIC, however you want to measure them, have the main aim of creating more power.

So when someone asks, be it politely or not, what the benefits of a performance enhancing mod are or how those benefits were measured, there has to be a way to quantify it other than it saying it just feels better. For the love of Pete, my wife thinks her Volvo drives better after I wash and wax the damn thing.......

You can dog on Spillman all you want but many people have the same questions and whether you all mean to or not, you are alienating a lot of people.

Maybe I'm in the minority here thinking this place loses a little bit of its diversity when an Andy, a Jan, a Chris and a Ryan leaves.

Maybe not.......So your collective feathers were a bit ruffled - the response is to call him a troll or question his motives?

I have not and will not go the TC route - but I can understand the amusement of guys who have done it and see why they get a kick out of people spending $5K on their cars without any measureable benefit (other than their cars seem more responsive or pull a mite bit harder).

 

Nice post and hopefully some will take note.

 

You knew

Misspent youth I see.

 

Wow I wasn't aware that I was the "Topic" .....

So let's see if we can play the who is who game in the MINI Tuning game.

#1. Airline Pilot......?

#2. Beer maker.......?

#3. Designer at a large footwear manufacturer...?

#4. Product designer at .........?

#5. Photographer...... Ohh yeah that's Me

#6. Money manager......you should know this one spillman

And before you smack talk my photography/tuner skills, look at your own
resume' smack boy....

Peter
Dream M7
5672-608-8123

 

I'd rather buy good parts from a photographer than crappy parts from a mechanic!

Back on topic.... Oh, nothing to add right now.

Matt

 

So, it's ok for him to talk crap, insult people and look down his nose at all the photographer parts buyers but everyone is supposed to turn the other cheek?

And believe me I could give a crap about the asking for dyno numbers stuff. But you're saying it's OK for him to tell Dr O that using a G-Tech is a waste of time and the results mean nothing?

Now my take on it is, other people have asked the same questions. But they've done it with consideration. I don't see them getting jumped on. Were your argument totally correct then these people would suffer the same horrific fate poor spillman has.
You're also ignoring that he has a habit of doing just this. Like I said just last night he was slapping people around. And no I didn't let it go then either.
I fully expect and have seen that when I act the **** I get my comeuppance as well. You don't see me p!&sing about it.

Don't get me wrong. I understand what you mean. What I disagree with is using spillman as an example. Let the argument stand on it's own merit. Don't build it's foundation on a bully.

G'night

 

Maybe you shouldn't have listed #1 & #2 so close together

 

Skiploader,

You're right. I'll only speak for myself, grant you, but I did not add what I've added for refinement, not totally. But, I'd be square wrong if I suggested that I did not long and hard consider what it was I wanted before getting a Cosworth Stage 2+ installed. In the end, I made a decision tree (http://www.mindtools.com/dectree.html) and a decision matrix/Pugh matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision-matrix_method), and I evaluated my options, with regard to:

performance
driveability
reputation
reliability
product support

When it came down to it, performance and reliability were weighted basically evenly, for me. They were weighted heavily. This is my only car currently, and I love this car. Being a student who has precious little time to give as it is, I was ultimately not ready to sacrifice any long-term reliability of the block- the potential costs to me in the event of failure, in time and frustration, were simply too great. I did, by this fact alone, make what was the best decision for me... I did not TC.

Yes, I could have one for the money. But, with the experiences of spillman and El Diablito, whose motors both spilled their guts at least once, I could not make that potential compromise. I still cannot, even with the potential financial means to do so, still.

The point is, I made the decision which was best for me. I made a good , sound decision. My car is quite a bit faster, and I don't have to worry about doing any of that work already done again for quite a while still. I cannot say that I could have had the same luxury if I had gone TC, and this made the decision for me.


So, where does that leave me?
performance? the car is fast. anyone who wishes to may see for themselves.
driveability? the torque curve looks like the stock one, only with more meat . the car is smooth and nearly perfect, except for the small point of my custom software, which is a work in progress, at no fault of m7's.
reputation? many people know about m7's reputation, and everyone has his own impression, so I can't comment other than that I believe in them...
reliability? no real problems, d00d. mind you, my car is NOT babied .
product support? flawless. of course there were things here and there which I needed help with, and Peter was awesome.

I'm happy. That's what counts to me.

 

It's his opinion and Matt handled himself well with his explanation.......

The argument specifically includes bullies, provocateurs and cynical hacks...........well, as much as you can be any of the above on a internet forum anyway.

Forget about Spillman and his audacious temerity to question the efficacy of the G-tech or the credentials of Mr. Horvath - you've been around long enough to see other people who asked for numbers (irregardless of the Vendor) talked down to and labelled as bullies, troublemakers, communists and rabblerousers.

At some point be careful how you (the general you - not "you" specifically) come to the defense of Peter, Randy, Matt, the JCW Kit, etc. lest it cross the line into bullying itself. This little forum is starting to get a reputation.......

 

Thank you for the thoughtful response