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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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Hmmmm... I wonder if Redbull would be interested in sponsoring some younger guys making a MINI go fast enough to to scare the seasoned Ferrari owners?
no, they already have a redbull promo mini here in the bay...and rockstar already has a vehicle in gumball..i was thinking insurance companies...or just a personal sponser, maybe put together a proposal and hold a meeting with some big investors or comapnies that you would advertise their name on it, show them how much publicity they get yada yada yada
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KRGMini05
Interesting. Didn't think of that.
Well I figure they target our age group, use MINIs in avdertising, support many race teams, DARPA projects, aircraft teams and sporting competitons. We could put to gether a small team through NAM that would be able to handle all the mechanics and labor, use the soponsorship to fund entry, running costs and the sourcing of the parts and tools needed, get a few smaller sponsors to help cover everything and it becomes quite possible. Now we just need a detailed plan and write a proposal.

Edit: Saw post #25,I bet we could make it work for some company out there though.
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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and the team of people that try to get this done need to live near each other...or be near each other for a while (prepping car and everything)

I'd be down to do this if anyone here is serious and we get someone good at writing proposals...I can help with reasearch and organization and then just give me a shop and tools and I'll prep the car...

Like I said in the next 5 years I will be in one of the races with the M3 i'm getting
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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True, for now. But I think it would be a wonderful means to test new technology and products along with breaking a barrier of what was thought impossible. And if you could do it in a manner that the MINI could still go around bends, I think one could have a blast.
200mph MINI that still rules the bends?! Now thats whiptastic!

You know this talk about 200+ mph MINI makes me imagine a show like Top Gear making one, just for the hell of it. Probably not in the way you all are thinking of, but more like strapping a rocket engine to the back of one and letting it rip!
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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I'm in Chicago and as long as it doesn't mean using my personal MINI I'm in, good for wrenching, aerodynamics, and working on becoming a better high speed track driver.
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by thespider530
200mph MINI that still rules the bends?! Now thats whiptastic!

You know this talk about 200+ mph MINI makes me imagine a show like Top Gear making one, just for the hell of it. Probably not in the way you all are thinking of, but more like strapping a rocket engine to the back of one and letting it rip!
Ahh but that was a Mini and the Jag killed the STIG, but if you have one I think you'd need the other as the speed goes up handling becomes more and more difficult and we want to go beyond the dragstrip.
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:56 PM
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Me thinks

it would be an impossible feat:
  • Brick like aerodynamics
  • FWD
  • Tranny that doesn't play well eclipsing 300HP from what I've read
  • The trailer required to tow the extra fuel cell would add too much additional weight/drag
Basically what SamTrak noted...

Seriously though, anything is possible with enough money but this is a goal best left to more capable machines. Besides, the speedo only goes to 150 .

D'Oh!

Then again, mounting a JATO bottle could change the odds a bit...
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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  • Brick like aerodynamics
Not nessacarily prohibitive, just more difficult think of it like a 747, big bulky but plent capable.
  • FWD
Could use a AWD drive conversion, but seeing as there are those with well over 300 HP without issues I don't see FWD as a prevention from 200 MPH
  • Tranny that doesn't play well eclipsing 300HP from what I've read
Would need to replace the tranny to be able to reach past 180 MPH anyway.
  • The trailer required to tow the extra fuel cell would add too much additional weight/drag
Clear out the boot and store fuel in the approriate container, no added drag yes it adds weight but that can be offset with more HP

Now about that speedo and the rockets....
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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^^ (bullet 1(lolz)) u are dumb....

(further bullets)
aero kit (joels new wing, m7 splitter)
500+hp spi twincharge
Getrag twister tranny (AWD with multiple options)
where did you hear tranny cant handle power?? smoking dope maybe?
Fuel cell in car (remove stock tank)...and a thing called gas stations...build it to run off pump gas...
  • LAWL
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    • . lololol
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Drewmon
Besides, the speedo only goes to 150 .
this is just

u rate a cars top speed on their speedo?



http://www.automotivearticles.com/12...5_BMW_M3.shtml
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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I was thinking more along the Lines of a Defi VSD.
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:36 PM
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I'm thinking that you don't even need to reach 200MPH to be competitive in the Gumball. I mean, I seriously doubt that any of them stay north of 150+ MPH. I think they average around 135MPH for the entire race, so... Just get a twincharged car with a head and pistons and it should be plenty fast. In addition, the cops will most likely skip over you to nab some of the exotics. Also, keep the stock speedo, that way if the cops nab you, you can say you didn't know how fast you were going.
 
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:47 PM
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Geesh. I know it's late but damn folks, it's a joke - lighten up.

And no, thanks for trying to type it cryptically MSFIT, I'm not dumb. And, oddly, I never have nor will I smoke dope. Might make me a loser in your opinion, but that's yours to keep. Nice to know things can get so personal so quick when the real topic is cars, not bashing people for possessing a sense of wit or humor.

As for being stupid, quite the contrary. I've spent enough time at the track and prepping race cars to realize 200mph in a MINI would not come easy... Thus the extremely sarcastic post.

Man, not feelin' the love here at the NAM. Folks gotta' chill, get some humor.

So, if folks are seriously bent on making one go that fast, anybody ante up the funds (or a chassis) to try it yet? Would be an interesting project to see how fast one could tear a hole in the atmosphere using a MINI even if it doesn't tag 200mph.

Anybody have stats (not using the speedo) on the actual top end of a MCS? I've seen pics with the dial twisted all the way right, but that last 40-60mph chunk off the speedo (depending on margin of error from speedo) represents a huge barrier of HP, tranny, fuel, and wind to overcome.

The Stack panel would be nice, always do well at the track - reliable and easy to plumb.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 12:02 AM
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MINIotaple is probably right, speeds are lower than we'd like to think over the course of the race.

I would think everybody's scoped these pics before, but if not point your browser here and take a look at a regular runner in the GB3:

http://www.kimble.org/

Look down & right for the Gumball link. Like to meet Kimble someday...

MSFIT, how do you like running the TB mount air filter? How long have you had it running? Any voodoo running it (wouldn't expect any but, doesn't hurt to ask)? The thread on Operation HAI kinda' fell apart towards the end, nobody posting back with actual running observations beyond Mac&Cheese.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 12:20 AM
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I know that right now with pulley/intake/WMSexhaust/Unichip/Hsport with a slight downhill start I can reach 140 (indicated) on a long stretch of closed track.

While I dont think that 200 mph is out of the question, I do think 185 is a more obtainable goal...above that i'd say your looking at doubling the money involved to get another 15 mph.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 12:43 AM
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FWIW, there was an effort by the top Miata tuner for a 200mph project. After much testing and many horsepower, it was determined that you could CALL it a Miata, but it wouldn't look like a Miata, and for the most part it wouldn't have a Miata engine. Given the relative aerodynamics, I'd say start building snowmen with the devil first...
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
FWIW, there was an effort by the top Miata tuner for a 200mph project. After much testing and many horsepower, it was determined that you could CALL it a Miata, but it wouldn't look like a Miata, and for the most part it wouldn't have a Miata engine. Given the relative aerodynamics, I'd say start building snowmen with the devil first...

I own my grandfather's axe. My dad replaced the head and i replaced the shaft....

When does the mini not become a mini cooper? and when was top speed ever the forte of this vehicle?
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyB
What would terminal velocity of a MINI be off a cliff ?
here's a calculator to find out.
what's the frontal area and CD of the MINI MCS?
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/termv.html
I figure about 550 mph.

and another good link about MINI's top speed and power required.
http://www.sjbaker.org/telamom/speed_math.html
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Drewmon
it would be an impossible feat:[LIST][*]Tranny that doesn't play well eclipsing 300HP from what I've read
I'm concerned because my MINI is right on that HP right now. Links to what you've read please, or at least the user names of those who've had issues with the tranny due to 300+ hp.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 06:35 AM
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I believe HPA has a 200mph 600+hp Golf. It can be done in the MINI. E46 M3 engine swap, rear wheel drive, beef up aero dynamics...whala.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Drewmon
  • Tranny that doesn't play well eclipsing 300HP from what I've read
the above is the reason you aren't feelin the love.. lol please do not use such terms as "I have heard" or I have read" my mini is a daily driven 400 HP TC MINI and I plan to make more...I havent' even touched the head yet....etc etc blah blah....

anywho... I have been TCed for over 20k now.... no probs... in fact the only thing that has ever failed on my MINI was the SC LOL... but that's another story...


MCSwrks if we do a motor swap then it's not a mini...we can make over 600hp with a mini motor.... if I had the $ I'd be putting the cars specs together right now!
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:14 AM
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Or we could do something like a dahlback like conversion. VW people love to brag about how good the GTi is, and compare it to the Dahlback golf, although the Dalhback is so far from VW.
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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NOPE!!! It is not possible for a MINI to do 200mph.....

Someone, prove me wrong

Steve
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mielnicki
NOPE!!! It is not possible for a MINI to do 200mph.....

Someone, prove me wrong

Steve
gimme the money... I'll do it...
 
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mcswrks
Or we could do something like a dahlback like conversion. VW people love to brag about how good the GTi is, and compare it to the Dahlback golf, although the Dalhback is so far from VW.
good Idea... heh heh...
 
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