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Old May 1, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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jfunkmd - how often u've taken ur car to the track? is this for race or just circuit practice. reason i ask; is that im curious to know how many peepz with cranks take their car to track. and see if the crank can handle 'track abuse' which imo, is pretty much the ultimate amount of abuse it could possibly take. (multiple redlines for 2-3 seconds)
I run extended periods or 6500k revs. Both on track, and AutoX. I run my car hard, but not as hard as Randy and Brian. They seem to not have any problems so far....
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:59 AM
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So then the small gain in 7/04 is likely due to the lighter crank pulley? And the question remains, did they go lighter still on the GP?
Smaller Crank Pulley and some ECU mapping changes.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
The correspondence from Dinan specifically did not include any real information other than unsubstantiated claims. Dinan is the type of aftermarket botique company that wouldn't be interested in a crank pulley for a 4-banger JUST for the reason it slightly increases NVH.

Here's a good example of how inept Dinan is: regarding their "Boost Upgrade"


This is pretty much a joke of aftermarket taking advantage of the unknowing conusmer. The Cooper S showroom-stock fuel system is perfectly capable up to, in my dyno-proven experience, about 216 crank HP [SAE]. Dinan is claiming that "205" is too much, and that it's not the injectors that are the limitation, but the fuel pressure regulator! How absurd! The injectors become the bottleneck at the 216 crank HP I mentioned above, NOT the FPR. Furthermore, many high powered MINI's on this forum know that the fuel pump and regulator is acceptable to about 400 crank HP. Why Dinan's "testing" has such wildly rediculous conclusions is embarassing for them.

A company with such gross negligence for engineering and willingness to use that negligence to take advantage of consumers ought not to be trusted for anything they claim.
I've wondered about Dianan's claims also. A while back I was looking to buy a used Dinan intake for my MCS. Problem was that it needed a new filter, so I called up Dianan and they told me a replacement filter cost about $65. So I asked if it was ok to simply re-oil the filter like you would with a K&N or a UNI-filter. I was told that they do not recommend re-oiling because if too much oil is used it will clog up the mass air-flow meter/sensor. I asked "even on the MINI?" The tech said "yes." A few days later I had the local BMW/Dinan dealer call them and he was told the same thing. The problem is...unless I've gone completely crazy, MINI's don't have an air flow meter!!! The have some sort of pressure sensor much further down in the intake stream. Needless to say, I lost all faith in Dinan's products.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jaynicholson
I've wondered about Dianan's claims also. A while back I was looking to buy a used Dinan intake for my MCS. Problem was that it needed a new filter, so I called up Dianan and they told me a replacement filter cost about $65. So I asked if it was ok to simply re-oil the filter like you would with a K&N or a UNI-filter. I was told that they do not recommend re-oiling because if too much oil is used it will clog up the mass air-flow meter/sensor. I asked "even on the MINI?" The tech said "yes." A few days later I had the local BMW/Dinan dealer call them and he was told the same thing. The problem is...unless I've gone completely crazy, MINI's don't have an air flow meter!!! The have some sort of pressure sensor much further down in the intake stream. Needless to say, I lost all faith in Dinan's products.
Dinan - late to the game with a half assed effort.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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I actually have never heared this before. I would say that they are making an overstatement. They dont want their competitors to be getting your business! lol jk. But< i would do it anyways.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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So a tech didn't know the details of the mini

and you damn all their efforts? Sheeze, if we did this based on what Mini said to us, none of us would have cars....

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Old May 2, 2006 | 01:37 PM
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Is a lightweight pulley offered by JCW? If this were a safe and cost effective mod, I would think that they would offer it.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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I guess all the thousands of Neon owners (the Mini engine is derived from the Dodge Neon 2.0 engine and the design/engineering is basically the same for both) who are running lightweight underdriven crank pulleys must be running on borrowed time then?
Just the fact that they drive Dodge Neons implies that they are running on "borrowed time".
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Just the fact that they drive Dodge Neons implies that they are running on "borrowed time".
way OT but will the 2.0 fit in our cars?
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Well, they stuffed that M3 six in there with 'slight' modifications.....

I have heard a little company thinking of attempting a SRT transplant. Said it will physically fit. Not sure of the progress but they sounded serious about it...and no I will not mention who. They can speak for themselves.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GoMiniGo
Well, they stuffed that M3 six in there with 'slight' modifications.....

I have heard a little company thinking of attempting a SRT transplant. Said it will physically fit. Not sure of the progress but they sounded serious about it...and no I will not mention who. They can speak for themselves.
if that works there is a factory kit at 300 hp (not sure of the actual number)
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Just the fact that they drive Dodge Neons implies that they are running on "borrowed time".
....and that shows how little you know about Neons Only time will tell if the Mini will be as reliable as most people's Neons have been. I can only hope that is the case for me.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
if that works there is a factory kit at 300 hp (not sure of the actual number)
Hehehehehehehe Stage 3 SRT MINI


Now that would be bad ***
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
Dinan - late to the game with a half assed effort.
I would not take much stock in any Dinan proclamations until they get their own act together . This one I saw with my own eyes. Guy drives in with his " Dinan" mini to a local mini get together . He had the entire package air box, throttle body etc. etc. Everything had just been installed by a factory " trained " Dinan dealer in the South Bay. As we are all looking at his air box, the the first one we had seen at that time, someone pointed out that the plastic cap to his throttle body was falling off. The ELECTRICAL tape which had been used to re attach it had come loose from the heat. Needless to say that owner became equally embarrassed and pissed off. I do not think there will be one Dinan part bought by that group of Mini owners in the near future , if at all.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by not-so-rednwhitecooper
Hehehehehehehe Stage 3 SRT MINI


Now that would be bad ***
My idea............ na na na na naaaaaaa na

seriously, it will probably fit without too much cutting and duck tape

I think w have done enough to discredit Dinan in the Mini market...... some guys have that stuff..... the best stuff is being developed by a few guys with little cash busting their asses and betting their futures and the livelihoods of their families..... and then to be fed a bunch of crap from someone/s who has the $ and the resources to do something is well (your expletive here) but BS comes to mind.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:09 PM
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Ok.... rename this thread already:

Just say NO to DINAN
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyB
Ok.... rename this thread already:

Just say NO to DINAN
or ... don't mess with a Sicilian when life is on the line.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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or ... don't mess with a Sicilian when life is on the line.

"Never match wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line"
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Do the problems with DINAN MINI mods also apply to their BMW mods?
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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Dinan is one of the best BMW tuners there is

and I'm really suprised about this little sh*t-slinging fest. Every Mini tuner that I'm aware of has had their share of teething pains, some of which people here have suffered. Seems like different standards to me. The fact that they choose to put time and effort into what is a much smaller car market should be greeted with thanks and recognition, not derision and distain.

Sometimes I just don't understand.....

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Old May 2, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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Princess Bride?

Never saw that film, but with so many references over the years, maybe I should. I'm actually half Sicilian, so I'd like to see the quote in context...
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by obehave
"Never match wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line"
I was close...... Princess Bride indeed
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
and I'm really suprised about this little sh*t-slinging fest. Every Mini tuner that I'm aware of has had their share of teething pains, some of which people here have suffered. Seems like different standards to me. The fact that they choose to put time and effort into what is a much smaller car market should be greeted with thanks and recognition, not derision and distain.

Sometimes I just don't understand.....

Matt
Hey Matt,

Sorry to disappoint but that white paper is an insult..... it reads like "engines for dummies" there is no specific data or measurements and we are supposed to take it as law...... in my industry that kind of "white paper" would never fly......I respect their reputation in the BMW arena but where is their participation and commitment in Mini world...... Randy, Eric, Peter, Randy, Jeff, et al spend time on the board, support the events etc.... and "they" write that silly paper, while solid in concept gives no specifics and we are all supposed to be impressed and grateful....... I respect you Matt but I am so far unimpressed with Dinan's Mini effort..... that being said, I am easy to take in and embrace people, companies and technology...just make an effort at least comensurate with the entrenched "players" show that you are serious about our business, cars and passion.
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
and I'm really suprised about this little sh*t-slinging fest. Every Mini tuner that I'm aware of has had their share of teething pains, some of which people here have suffered. Seems like different standards to me. The fact that they choose to put time and effort into what is a much smaller car market should be greeted with thanks and recognition, not derision and distain.

Sometimes I just don't understand.....

Matt
DINAN is another option in the wide spectrum of choices for us all, and for that, I see the benefit of their presence. I've said this several times in the past also... so not a new expression on my part.

I'd agree that there might be some preferential treatment (a different standard) here, and that DINAN, if anything, has been spared the worst of it; I'd say mostly due to their reputation as renowned BMW tuner, and their lack of a NAM presence. If our home-grown tuners can get hammered for being difficult to reach or for their choice of words, a more distant one should not be immune to some playful derision... especially when deserved.

Whether it's brining us innovative products that we don't already have, improved quality, additional features/benefits, or simply a better price... DINAN arrived on the scene much later than what they shared and with a product line that makes one wonder 'what the heck were you doing the past few years!?'

They have bigger fish to fry, and it shows... and it's probably a very prudent business decision for them to do as they did (again, as I shared many times before). They are bound to capture those folks who don't want to spend JCW money, but still want some type of "insurance," at a price. They fill part of the spectrum... but otherwise offer very little in the way of performance advancement, or contributions to the Community. They will take a piece of the pie with minimal effort though...

If I had a BMW, I'd gladly consider DINAN. As a MINI owner, I certainly don't sense the love and dedication. I'm just left with a feeling of tokenism...
 
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Old May 2, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Clemens
Do the problems with DINAN MINI mods also apply to their BMW mods?
Yes.

I had a Dinan modified bimmer. It was a package bought new through the dealership.

It was the worst piece of shib I've ever owned. The car ended up being lemon-lawed through the dealer who then claimed they were going after Dinan..........don't know if they ever did...........

Soon they stopped carrying their products altogether.

Overpriced, questionable engineering and crappy support. I learned my lesson the first time.
 
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