Drivetrain Fireball Mini Cooper
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I believe traction to be the main factor. Downfall of the FWD design in drag racing. He could probably get into the 10's if he can put the power down at launch.
After that regearing of the ratios becomes necessary. I don't know what the speed is at redline in 6th gear (I'm guessing 150mph or so), but depending on the acceleration trap speed will get pretty high as 1/4 times gets lower and lower.
For the weight and hp high10's low 11's are about right. If you look at what the Honda guys arer running for similiar weight (2100-2500lbs) they are running 10 to 12s.
To run in the 8's and 9's, I'm guessing about 800hp is required
After that regearing of the ratios becomes necessary. I don't know what the speed is at redline in 6th gear (I'm guessing 150mph or so), but depending on the acceleration trap speed will get pretty high as 1/4 times gets lower and lower.
For the weight and hp high10's low 11's are about right. If you look at what the Honda guys arer running for similiar weight (2100-2500lbs) they are running 10 to 12s.
To run in the 8's and 9's, I'm guessing about 800hp is required
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Originally Posted by Loosemosse
Does anyone know if it's 500 bhp or whp and how much of it is NOS?
You have fair questions, why not just go to the ftr website forum and ask the man himself? They seem to be very nice people.
In the MC2 magazine the article covering the Fireballtim drag car states he's running only 25psig of boost. This means with a twincharged setup they're only going to squeeze about 300wHP. I'd say the 500HP figure is either BS or they're running way more than 25psig, or the car weighs a lot more than what they say. Either case, they're not being forthcoming with their data.
Originally Posted by Loosemosse
One article stated a 2700 lb car (just read), which would seem more reasonable for the 500HP and time score.
I've seen the 300S MCS Turbo with the 30 PSI and no SC that ended at 307 BHP, with similar upgrades. No times recorded yet. Not as light which doesn't affect the HP produced.
The mag reads that it's @ 25 PSI... w or w/o the SC?
I've seen the 300S MCS Turbo with the 30 PSI and no SC that ended at 307 BHP, with similar upgrades. No times recorded yet. Not as light which doesn't affect the HP produced.
The mag reads that it's @ 25 PSI... w or w/o the SC?
LOL, that BBR turbo thing again? 30psig and only 307brake HP is a joke of horrible compressor efficiency
"25 PSI" is what the article says. Why would you downplay such a notoriously famous statistic?
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You guys need to do alot more research before you go speculating and bench racing. You guys are making assumptions based on magizine articles???? And you really think that these guys would just spill there guts for free in a magizine or on the internet? Think about it guys.
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
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From: Infinity and beyond
Originally Posted by Loosemosse
Does anyone understand how it is that Tim's Mini Has 500 Horsepower (Whether WHP or BHP) and only runs 11.26 @ 121 with a 1700 pound Mini. .........
A) the car is 2190...
and
C) the car was never run on the track @ 500 WHP. it was only run @ 320 WHP....
So there you have it...
Originally Posted by Loosemosse
I've seen the 300S MCS Turbo with the 30 PSI and no SC that ended at 307 BHP, with similar upgrades. No times recorded yet. Not as light which doesn't affect the HP produced.
I am making 340 WHP on 28 lbs of boost.....
the FIREBALLED! car has a front mount....and a motec for tuning, which both...helped to achive more power with less work....
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Originally Posted by spillman
You guys need to do alot more research before you go speculating and bench racing. You guys are making assumptions based on magizine articles???? And you really think that these guys would just spill there guts for free in a magizine or on the internet? Think about it guys.
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
Just like I like it.
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Originally Posted by Loosemosse
I'm sorry, there must have been a misunderstading. There is no speculation, except for, possibly, the weight of the car, as far as articles go. HP and times are stated by Dr. Fuh on the video.
Originally Posted by Loosemosse
I'm not up in running yet, I will be in aprox 3 months or so, parachute in hand, as I see it NOW.
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Originally Posted by spillman
You guys need to do alot more research before you go speculating and bench racing. You guys are making assumptions based on magizine articles???? And you really think that these guys would just spill there guts for free in a magizine or on the internet? Think about it guys.
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
Also Mr. Moose. A good question for you. How much are you putting down and how much boost?
I love being able to spit out #'s by just sitting on my laptop. Whether they're accurate or not, that's a different question
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Originally Posted by Barnabas
Come on...bench racing is the best kind of racing! Saves gas and $20 with a trip down to the drag strips!
I love being able to spit out #'s by just sitting on my laptop. Whether they're accurate or not, that's a different question
I love being able to spit out #'s by just sitting on my laptop. Whether they're accurate or not, that's a different question
I just saved a butt load on insurance by not switching to Geico
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Originally Posted by Loosemosse
Does anyone understand how it is that Tim's Mini Has 500 Horsepower (Whether WHP or BHP) and only runs 11.26 @ 121 with a 1700 pound Mini. As I see it, either his car is a cow!! Very slow considering hp claims or it just does not have the horsey's he says it does. On a Stock block seems hard to believe. I believe the weight claim considering the carbon fiber but at that weight with that horse power, his car should be in the 8's-9's range. At the weight and trap speed/time.. I''d say 250WHP/310BHP. What do you guys think?
hate to take his thread the wrong way, but i didnt want to start another thread of this question... ok.. so.. Hey Tuls whats the outlook for the ecu tune.. Last time I heard about it, it was a few months ago. Any news, or progress.
Thanks,
tim
Thanks,
tim
Originally Posted by Tuls
the explination is simple...
C) the car was never run on the track @ 500 WHP. it was only run @ 320 WHP....
C) the car was never run on the track @ 500 WHP. it was only run @ 320 WHP....
*pats self on back*